CrimsonEcho’s pollen mothers!

[crimsonecho]

Hi beloved paradise residents,

I’m starting this thread to keep track and share what i know and what i’ll learn along the way. The first introduction by me was this;

Hello fellow cannabis enthusiasts. Just joined here. I’m a hobby grower and a “pollen chucker”. Tho i only tried once and failed. Now gonna do sts. Well i’m sure there is gonna be a diary so lets move on.
I prefer organics and homemade nutrients. I’ve had satisfactory results with what i’m doing. I’m pretty new at this stuff. I’ve been growing many kinds of crops for almost 20 years now so that helps a lot. Anyway, good to be here.

The sentences in bold letters doesn’t reflect the truth anymore.



This is my first haul from plants that were in 1 litre pots. Tiny tiny. There were 5 plants. 1 pollen mother blueberry, 2 blueberry seed mothers, 1 dinachem and 1 northern lights. It was almost april when i got the pollen and i pollinated all.

At first it seemed unsuccessful! No browning pistils or anything. Actually, there weren’t many brown pistils till the end. I’m not sure why. But i kept hope and it turned out ok.

The only downside is i was almost completely sure there weren’t any seeds in them so i just chucked them into a brown bag and dried all of them together. So now i have many blueberry bastards.

Well still, its my first breeding project and i’m pretty happy with the results.

For this experiment i used store bought cs. 50-75ppm. Sprayed 2 times daily and then backed off a bit after 10 days and started doing once a day. After about 23 days i harvested my first pollen sack but it was not done yet so it took about 35 days to get actual any useful pollen. At that point i pollinated the other girls with it.

Thats the story of my first experiment. Next run which will start in couple of weeks is gonna include sts and a dinachem pollen mother. I’m gonna share that with you to. For now here are some photos from my first experiment.



See how my pollen mother was all stressed and burned by the cs. One reason may be the ppm but i think its about the light. Definitely should spray in the dark and let it sit with silver for that 12-13 hours darkness.

Next time sts! I already got 0.1N sodium thiosulfate and silver nitrate solutions. Not a chemist so i bought them pre mixed. Should be fun.

 

[Phylex]

Congrats on your first round of seeds.

 

[crimsonecho]

Congrats on your first round of seeds.

Thanks man.

 

[crimsonecho]

Now because i fucked up with the labeling in my first try i’m gonna start with the genetics from the first run.

Except i will not use the blueberry as the pollen mother this time. I got many many blueberry bastards seeing 2 out of 4 plants was blueberry in the first run. I’m sure there is a great pure blueberry in there somewhere.

So i want to self dinachem to preserve genetics and maybe even find a better pheno.
Purple afghan kush and peyote cookies are frosty and black strains. They are very beautiful plants.
And blueberries because i want a labeled dinachem x blueberry cross.
I can maybe throw in a critical too, i haven’t decided yet. Critical #5 maybe.

Here is my Dinachem



Purple afghan kush and blueberry phenos.



Purple afghan kush



Lets see how this works out. I’m excited!

 

[crimsonecho]

6 blueberry bastard seeds. I’m trying to see what they are like. Since the tent is running anyway. Just gonna throw them in too. Man what am i gonna do with all this weed

 

[crimsonecho]

Now moving the ones with tap roots into a light mix and i’m gonna give a little more time for the other one. Overall very good germ rate seeing these are month old. I thought the germination rate went down when its too fresh. Well live and learn.

 

[Phylex]

I don't think it's anything other than Mother Nature. It happens sometimes. I've read it's best to leave seeds be for about a month after harvesting them if I recall.

 

[crimsonecho]

I don't think it's anything other than Mother Nature. It happens sometimes. I've read it's best to leave seeds be for about a month after harvesting them if I recall.

Ah ok was it a month then? I was remembring something like 4-6 months that why i was suprised. But either way i’m at 5 out of 6 for now and hopetimistic about the last one.

 

[crimsonecho]

Hahha second harvest. I’m sure thats pretty much all of it. I have 200+ blueberry bastards. What joy! At least free seeds to experiment with.

 

[crimsonecho]

Nice haul you've got there. A number of nice fat beans. Well done.

Thanks man. Now its time to get labeled seeds!

 

[crimsonecho]

That last seed haven’t popped. Well 5 out of 6. Still good, maybe it needs a bit more time. Maybe its not ripened enough. Who knows.

Anyway just did my first sts application and changed the light schedule to 11/13. Officially, the experiment begins!

I’m seeing an apparent light stress with my led plants. Not just cannabis but also my pumpkin is suffering greatly. I’m gonna upload some pics tonight. The lights are really far away too. Like maybe 15” from the pumpkin and 20+ from the pollen mother. Its strange. I think they will eventually move past it tho. This happened before and 11/13 should help immensely.

Anyway to the experiment. Now i’ve seen lots of different preparations and recipes for this solution and i tried to put them all together and tried to find a middle ground, i’m afraid it may be too strong but if thats the case i’ll dilute it more. We’ll see.

I got .1N solutions for each. Silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate. I mixed 1 part of silver nitrate with 4 parts of sodium thiosulfate. While constantly stirring. Then diluted 1:1 with distiled water. The resulting liquid looked like water with a metallic hue. I sprayed the plant top to bottom. Could have just went with future bud sites to minimize the stress but the plant is tiny so couldn’t really focused the spray. So i said fuck it and dreched it. Now its in a dark place in order to minimize the degradation of silver. Its gonna stay there for a couple of hours till its bone dry.

Since the plant was tiny, i only had to use 20mls of sodium thiosulfate solution and 5mls of silver nitrate solution. I mixed it with 25mls of distilled water and ended up 50mls of sts.

For anyone who is not familiar with what .1N means, its a measurement used in chemistry. I wasn’t very familiar with it either but cannabis keeps teaching me hahaha. Its calculated by using the molecular weight of the compounds used. And from what i understand the calculations go like this;

For example, the molecular weight of silver nitrate is 168gr. That means if i take a litre of distilled water and dissolve 168gr of silver nitrate in it, i’m gonna end up with a 1N solution. And if i dissolve 16.8gr of silver nitrate in the same amount of distilled water i’m gonna end up with a .1N solution. Or in the same manner if i take 1,68gr of silver nitrate and dissolve it in 100ml of distilled water the solution will be .1N also. Metric system rules

Following the same understanding of how thing work, with sodium thiosulfate pentahydrate the molecular weight is 248gr. 1 litre of water and 248gr sodium thiosulfate pentahydrate is 1N. 24.8gr in 1 litre is .1N and 2.48gr in 100ml is .1N also. So its actually pretty easy once you know the molecular weight of stuff.

Well anyway, i gonna keep it updated, hope it works.

 

[crimsonecho]

Ok here are the pics. Its clear that leds are a bit strong for the mother atm and for the pumpkin. That came as a suprise. Tho it looks like they are getting over it, after sts i don’t know how well the pollen mother will react.

The ones under floros (seed mothers) are very healthy. There are some brown spots which they have developed while under leds also. Well they are gonna be under floros for 2 more weeks. Until i see balls.



By the way, i’m at this point, pretty sure my peyote cookies are just peyote purple from cannabiogen. I mean it reached me in its original sealed package and barneys farm doesn’t sell peyote purple but it looks nothing like the peyote cookies i see around the web. Either there is some freak mix up or all these 3 genotypes were leaning incredibly towards one of their parents.

Still its gonna be a sexy mix with my dinachem. Can’t wait. That will be my next grow.

 

[Phylex]

That last seed haven’t popped. Well 5 out of 6. Still good, maybe it needs a bit more time. Maybe its not ripened enough. Who knows.

Anyway just did my first sts application and changed the light schedule to 11/13. Officially, the experiment begins!

I’m seeing an apparent light stress with my led plants. Not just cannabis but also my pumpkin is suffering greatly. I’m gonna upload some pics tonight. The lights are really far away too. Like maybe 15” from the pumpkin and 20+ from the pollen mother. Its strange. I think they will eventually move past it tho. This happened before and 11/13 should help immensely.

Anyway to the experiment. Now i’ve seen lots of different preparations and recipes for this solution and i tried to put them all together and tried to find a middle ground, i’m afraid it may be too strong but if thats the case i’ll dilute it more. We’ll see.

I got .1N solutions for each. Silver nitrate and sodium thiosulfate. I mixed 1 part of silver nitrate with 4 parts of sodium thiosulfate. While constantly stirring. Then diluted 1:1 with distiled water. The resulting liquid looked like water with a metallic hue. I sprayed the plant top to bottom. Could have just went with future bud sites to minimize the stress but the plant is tiny so couldn’t really focused the spray. So i said fuck it and dreched it. Now its in a dark place in order to minimize the degradation of silver. Its gonna stay there for a couple of hours till its bone dry.

Since the plant was tiny, i only had to use 20mls of sodium thiosulfate solution and 5mls of silver nitrate solution. I mixed it with 25mls of distilled water and ended up 50mls of sts.

For anyone who is not familiar with what .1N means, its a measurement used in chemistry. I wasn’t very familiar with it either but cannabis keeps teaching me hahaha. Its calculated by using the molecular weight of the compounds used. And from what i understand the calculations go like this;

For example, the molecular weight of silver nitrate is 168gr. That means if i take a litre of distilled water and dissolve 168gr of silver nitrate in it, i’m gonna end up with a 1N solution. And if i dissolve 16.8gr of silver nitrate in the same amount of distilled water i’m gonna end up with a .1N solution. Or in the same manner if i take 1,68gr of silver nitrate and dissolve it in 100ml of distilled water the solution will be .1N also. Metric system rules

Following the same understanding of how thing work, with sodium thiosulfate pentahydrate the molecular weight is 248gr. 1 litre of water and 248gr sodium thiosulfate pentahydrate is 1N. 24.8gr in 1 litre is .1N and 2.48gr in 100ml is .1N also. So its actually pretty easy once you know the molecular weight of stuff.

Well anyway, i gonna keep it updated, hope it works.

I hope it works out for you too. I'll be embarking on my first attempt in about 4-6 weeks. I'll be using GA3

 

[crimsonecho]

I hope it works out for you too. I'll be embarking on my first attempt in about 4-6 weeks. I'll be using GA3

Yeah i read about that today. I looked into breeding so much but i wasn’t aware of the freaking gibberellic acid! I think its an everyday spray solution right? Either way wish you success too. I’m very excited!

 

[Phylex]

Yeah i read about that today. I looked into breeding so much but i wasn’t aware of the freaking gibberellic acid! I think its an everyday spray solution right? Either way wish you success too. I’m very excited!

It appears to be used for 5 days straight, then flip to flower. Here's a link

https://www.edrosenthal.com/the-guru-of-ganja-blog/feminized-seeds-the-top-methods-used-to-produce-them

 

[crimsonecho]

It appears to be used for 5 days straight, then flip to flower. Here's a link

https://www.edrosenthal.com/the-guru-of-ganja-blog/feminized-seeds-the-top-methods-used-to-produce-them

Yeah in this post the sts recomendation is pretty different from what i’ve seen on other places. Some say one spray should be enough (like in on the link) some say it should be sprayed every 5-7 days for 2 weeks. Like 3-4 applications total. I’m not sure gonna learn as i do it i guess.

 

[crimsonecho]

It looks better after sts makes me feel like i have done something wrong!

Well i’m gonna do one more when preflowers show and keep doing applications every 7 day and see how it reacts. It has to be stressed a bit right?

 

[crimsonecho]

I said fuck it and added a blue kush also. Even with being harvested 20 days early, it had solid hard nugs and a very good smell. So i want to cross that with my dinachem too. A little bit of info about the strains i’m using this run;

-Dinachem - GuavaChem x ChemDawg (pollen mother and seed mother)
-Blue Kush - Blueberry x OG Kush
-Purple Afghan Kush - Purple Kush x Pre 98’ Bubba Kush
-Peyote Cookies - Peyote Purple x Cookies Kush (Peyote Purple leaning genotype)
-Blueberry (Dutch Passion) (2 different genotypes)

Now i’m actually gonna self some of them too, just to see whats hidden in that genetic pool. Actually i’ll self everything but peyote cookies. I’m pretty sure the plant i have is the plant i’ll end up with if i ever do. Hahha. Of course first my sts should do its job. No stress on the pollen mother which is definitely strange. I’m gonna do one more sts tomorrow.

I’m actually pretty excited about one cross in particular and thats the dinachem and peyote cookies. I can’t even begin to imagine that frost on that mass and that perfect round calyxes with that fat bud formation. And that colour! Also the taste and the potency of dinachem! Then i can maybe cross it with dinachem x pak f1s and get a cluster fuck! Come on sts!

Dinachem


Peyote Cookies



PAK

 

[crimsonecho]

Just did the 2nd sts. This time i was a bit more careful about not degrading the solution. This time there was no metallic hue and i didn’t dilute it. That was probably a mistake but we will see. 1 parts silver nitrate to 4 parts sodium thisoulfate. Now its dripping wet with the sts. Gonna move it back into the tent when the lights turn off. Since the solution was too strong i dont want to add any more stress by degrading the silver in it and clogging stomas or something. Well i hope there will be some stress tomorrow. Otherwise i have to change my procedure or my recipe.

 

[crimsonecho]

I’m noticing a tiny bit of purpling in some leaves and some yellowing too. There are tiny leaves that have turned purple also. So i think it worked. At least i got the silver in. Now we wait!