Anyone else tired of this crap?
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Whip Eurass
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So who has any faith in a legitimate election any longer?
LOL.... Good luck finding dad.
As one of the 'bright kids', I was steered into advanced academics, while the dimmer bulbs were directed to 'shop' classes. Those guys ended up with skills that earned them top dollars per hour, and many became business owners- mechanics, plumbers, electricians - the people that fix things the academics were never taught. I can't tell you how many times in life I wish I hadn't been deemed in HS as one of the "bright kids".
Highland Rogue
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Highland Rogue
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There's nothing wrong with using something others paid for, IF, the others willingly GAVE it to you.
There's everything wrong with using something you didn't pay for, if you TOOK it and the owner didn't willingly give it to you.
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True @SoLowDoughLow . It's more than those services....but those services are modeled/created through a collective funding. One person just doesn't get to step out and take their funding...say...cus they want their kid to go the Bowling Academy. You have that right...you just don;t have the right to step out of what YOU benefited from in the same manner. "I'm smrt now, fuck you all..I ain't payin for skool cus i ain't using it" LOL. Poor schmuck. Didn't learn a thing....maybe it WAs a waste of $$$ in their situation? Yup.
Fact is....we're a LONG way from socialism here....until Bernie runs.....then it's "OH FUCK...We're gonna become Venezuela!"
Idiots. So we get Clowns. Dictator-wannabee Clowns. And Clown families. Click. BOOM.
I do believe in User fees though. Oregon does this. You wanna ski? You pay for a pass for your windshield that helps pay to plow the road. Nobody else pays to plow the road for you to play. Like Church....cough up yer Ben to get in the door of the House of Illusion and Make Believe. Nobody else should have to subsidize what you claim to believe in so very strongly. Yet.....we all do. How much do you think it cost (other than possibly the election..LOFL) all of us for Dicktator Don to clear those peaceful protesters so he could hold up the bible upside down and backwards and show his depth of faith? Did you get anything out of that (other than a sick feeling)? You should have. You paid for it.
I dunno how we make everyone happy so I just focus on myself. I'm not sure a lot of folks CAN BE happy. they would have to stop whining and pointing fingers and they've been doing it for so long they can't see that THAT is WHY they never got ahead. That...or the 4 ex-wives and all the toys....LOFL.
Fact is....we're a LONG way from socialism here....until Bernie runs.....then it's "OH FUCK...We're gonna become Venezuela!"
Idiots. So we get Clowns. Dictator-wannabee Clowns. And Clown families. Click. BOOM.
I do believe in User fees though. Oregon does this. You wanna ski? You pay for a pass for your windshield that helps pay to plow the road. Nobody else pays to plow the road for you to play. Like Church....cough up yer Ben to get in the door of the House of Illusion and Make Believe. Nobody else should have to subsidize what you claim to believe in so very strongly. Yet.....we all do. How much do you think it cost (other than possibly the election..LOFL) all of us for Dicktator Don to clear those peaceful protesters so he could hold up the bible upside down and backwards and show his depth of faith? Did you get anything out of that (other than a sick feeling)? You should have. You paid for it.
I dunno how we make everyone happy so I just focus on myself. I'm not sure a lot of folks CAN BE happy. they would have to stop whining and pointing fingers and they've been doing it for so long they can't see that THAT is WHY they never got ahead. That...or the 4 ex-wives and all the toys....LOFL.
hhibrownsbacker
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That statement is 100% correct, and in the terms of taxation and accountability they did willingly give it away, they voted their representatives in. If someone isnt satisfied with the status quo they need to VOTE their current representative out and get someone in there who will fight to change things more to their liking.
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Same goes for "industry". Say...If we stopped subsidizing OIL? CRASH! Fuckers wouldn't last a week if we weren't manipulating supply and paying out the nose @ the same time....but since our leaders make serious bank from oil...we stay in oil....and we subsidize gas prices. Only a fool would think that if we streamline costs/services/etc....all of that money will trickle down to them or be used on this THEY want. LOFL. Raygun "economics". "Hold still while I unzip my pants, sucker"
And don't get me started on "Miltary". Fuckin A. That's the biggest handout/subsidy program we have...
We all pay for shit we don't believe in. (War, religion, Don's lavish lifestlye/Golf) Many will receive benefits they never paid for. (them illeguls!) Many receive benefits for service they were already paid for. (Military) Many of those same folks will point fingers at others to deflect from the shit they get themselves. (but that is deserved...LOL)
Same shit..different day.
Highland Rogue
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You're correct one person doesn't "get to" step out. The "way we've always done it", isn't a justification though, it's the problem.
Collectivism where EVERY person involved wants to be involved is perfectly acceptable. That's voluntary cooperation. IF Individuals weren't forced to participate, then it follows individuals CHOSE to participate. There was no duress. Perfectly acceptable, peaceful.
Collectivism where some people DO NOT want to be involved, but are forced to be, is not acceptable. Using that as your operational means is wrong. It's wrong because removal of choice under threat of force, to an otherwise peaceful person is wrong. It's the same mindset prohibitionists use to justify their actions.
The part many collectivists don't address is the means they use. Force, removal of individual choice, from the start is a utilitarian rights trampling means. Good ideas don't require force.
When you say "YOU benefitted from in the same manner" you may be conveniently ignoring many participants had no real choice not to participate in the first place. Their choice was removed from the beginning. Things which remove a peaceful individuals choice are on shaky ground and should not be continued simply because, "that's the way we've always done it".
Consent versus force, which is the better method to use when interacting and organizing with other people ?
Highland Rogue
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At the risk of furthering my likely "know it all" status, I'll address your statement and ask you a question, I'm hoping you will address my question, but thinking you probably won't.
I think you may default to the erroneous idea that "authority" is legitimate by virtue of enough people supporting it as the sole reason for it's legitimacy. That's sort of like circular reasoning, without any foundational basis.
My question - If you or I, as an individual don't possess a given right, how could we delegate that nonexistent right to a person you claim is a "representative" ?
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
You stepped in it here. Fuck off.
NoWaistedSpace
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I never went to college and I have ran million dollar jobs and have never been asked for my high school diploma.
hhibrownsbacker
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I have never been asked to produce it either physically, but my last completed year of education is asked on every job application I've ever filled out.
H.A.F.
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I love how it hits a nerve when you tag folks with all of the handouts >they< take and then hear them rail back like they don't...especially those who always talk about everyone else riding the freebie train. Yeah...sure thing.
