Passing on of Genetics

[spyralout]

Are genetics and traits (such as phenotypes) passed on no matter what if a plant is successfully cloned? Say someone has a great cut of a strain and gives it out to someone else, who has limited experience and ends up growing mediocre stuff. This person takes clones and gives them out to another person, who happens to be a well experienced grower and consistently grows the dank. Will the experienced grower's plant have those traits of the original cut, or will some of the inexperienced grower's influence show up?

 

[Uncle Romulus]

Are genetics and traits (such as phenotypes) passed on no matter what if a plant is successfully cloned? Say someone has a great cut of a strain and gives it out to someone else, who has limited experience and ends up growing mediocre stuff. This person takes clones and gives them out to another person, who happens to be a well experienced grower and consistently grows the dank. Will the experienced grower's plant have those traits of the original cut, or will some of the inexperienced grower's influence show up?

From what I understand it is exact DNA copy but I’m not a doctor lol.
But then why the odd mutation then like a clone that only wants to do 3 set leaves. Hmmmmmmm...

 

[spyralout]

Yes good question, can it really be an exact copy if there are genetic mutations?
Kinda reminds me of that Arnold movie The 6th Day. Humans were cloned but each clone version had a mark under their eyelid. The more marks, the more times they were cloned.

 

[yougrowyourway]

No matter who grows it. the cut is still the cut imo. But clones of clones I feel like might have some extra factors in them. Like offset noding.

 

[Heisen]

Are genetics and traits (such as phenotypes) passed on no matter what if a plant is successfully cloned? Say someone has a great cut of a strain and gives it out to someone else, who has limited experience and ends up growing mediocre stuff. This person takes clones and gives them out to another person, who happens to be a well experienced grower and consistently grows the dank. Will the experienced grower's plant have those traits of the original cut, or will some of the inexperienced grower's influence show up?

The clone wont change. Genetic drift of a cutting takes a very long time to show. I've had cuts that looked terrible and brought them back and they are amazing. Leave it in the corner and forget about it and it looks like shit a couple months and take a new cut and it will go back to bad ass again.
Now if a cutting gets a weird systemic fungus or disease that might be a different story.

 

[Hydro]

Both Heisen and I have legit cuts of the glue, but if you look at our pics they dont look exactly the same due to the way they were grown. Now if Heisen and I were to exchange cuts of the glue and each grow them out....both cuts will be just like the ones we gave away.

 

[Heisen]

Both Heisen and I have legit cuts of the glue, but if you look at our pics they dont look exactly the same due to the way they were grown. Now if Heisen and I were to exchange cuts of the glue and each grow them out....both cuts will be just like the ones we gave away.

That's the best way to describe it

 

[spyralout]

Great replies, makes sense, thanks guys. I've heard the saying "that strain he's got is all played out" not in reference to popularity but the quality of the buds becoming less special as the grower kept running clones of it for years, this sounds like genetic drift?

 

[Hydro]

Great replies, makes sense, thanks guys. I've heard the saying "that strain he's got is all played out" not in reference to popularity but the quality of the buds becoming less special as the grower kept running clones of it for years, this sounds like genetic drift?

I feel it would take some years....possibly decades? Ive run clones from a momma (cuts taken for new momma every 6 mo. or so once original momma gets too big) for over 5 yrs on a strain and I never noticed a bit of difference in flowers from the original cutting from day 1. Im currently going on like 4 yrs with the glue with zero discernible difference of that from the original momma cut I recieved. Not to say one strain will be as exacting as another, but I've yet to experience it personally with any cut I've run for a stretch of time.

 

[spyralout]

This is good to know. Probably oldskool bro science coming into play haha.

 

[Hydro]

This is good to know. Probably oldskool bro science coming into play haha.

Either that or I've been pretty lucky on more than 1 occasion

 

[TerpyTyrone]

I feel it would take some years....possibly decades? Ive run clones from a momma (cuts taken for new momma every 6 mo. or so once original momma gets too big) for over 5 yrs on a strain and I never noticed a bit of difference in flowers from the original cutting from day 1. Im currently going on like 4 yrs with the glue with zero discernible difference of that from the original momma cut I recieved. Not to say one strain will be as exacting as another, but I've yet to experience it personally with any cut I've run for a stretch of time.

I have read that a cut can only be re cut/cloned so many times until it loses something from the original.
I never know what to believe online.
So instead of keeping a mom. I could just keep cutting the cut for generation after generation witjout any loss in vigor , stability, or potency? The exact copy?

 

[Hydro]

I have read that a cut can only be re cut/cloned so many times until it loses something from the original.
I never know what to believe online.
So instead of keeping a mom. I could just keep cutting the cut for generation after generation witjout any loss in vigor , stability, or potency? The exact copy?

Not sure why you would do it that way vs just keeping a momma?
Maybe if you keep taking your cuttings from a plant that was flowered, revegged, cut a clone, then flower that cut, reveg that, cut a clone & so on that I could see possibly running into the issue of genetic drift over a long period of time.....but thats also not the ideal way to keep genetics around if that is what your game plan is. Certainly not if you are aiming at preserving genetics and are concerned about potency/stability/vigor etc. I really couldnt say with 100% certainty though. I've never personally experienced it from any of the mommas Ive taken cuts from to start a new momma.

 

[Heathenraider]

It's an exact dna copy , so like Red said way more elequant than I is , in one gen I don't give a fuck if u hit that plant with a cruise missile whatever remains is still a copy, drift happens same as humans evolved from looking like Jesselikestogrow to what We look like today!

 

[Nyaga]

Or maybe the cuts could not be grown to its full potential by some of the growers it was given to. That may not be genetic drift, it can be different setups may cause the plant to express differently

 

[Deleted member 60]

Back in the day when there wasn't any easy source to get seeds or cuts ('90)....I lucked into a cut that I then ran perpetual for 15 years.....so all of that talk....IMO.... is just folks who don't know what they are talking about talking about shit they never experienced. I just recycled moms/started over and kept going.

When things ramped up with Med and I needed more space to play I stopped keeping moms and started just taking cuts from the veggers 10 days prior to flower time...and when I saw roots on the cuts...the "moms" went into flower and the cycle repeated itself over and over and over again. (I did another 10 years or so of this method)

 

[Bodyne]

not all cuts are that stable, Ive witnessed personally in Oregon, wore out cuts and moms of blueberry, shishkaberry, blackberry, jaeger and some others. Grow em out, can't figure out what the fuck happened, grow it again, same cut, same thing, you can tell when they have drifted, they act just worn out, not slow, worn out. Supposedly coming from Genesis, Mr Shishkaberry hisself, lmfao. Just plain wore out. No matter how you grow, or let finish, no potency, look good, scope good, no potency. Why you would keep growin em when they have obviously drifted is beyond me, jmho

 

[LordKoos]

I'm another guy who ran the same strain for about 10 years... never kept a mother plant, just kept taking cuttings from the new generations. I experienced no problems at all with viability or potency.

 

[Bodyne]

I'd keep a chemD cut or clone goin for years, I know that. I got some in bean form, Im trying to liquidate my other beans, lolol. I see myself doin that with about 4 strains, from now on. I got to practice my cloning skills. I helped them boys take clones is how I seen it. Two or three moms they'd had for years, especially of the shishka, we filled those 48 banges 4 at a time for the outdoor guys and even that stuff, I think they used mainly for oil at the end, I grew the blueberry and skishka, smoked on the blackberry, said wow, I keep gettin seeds for now, lol.

 

[Deleted member 60]

LOL....wish I'd known ya 10 years ago. That cut (Chem D) was standard fare in my garden for a long while there.
I'm sure it's still floating around out there.....