ttystikk
Nerd Gone Vertical
I don't where you have anything to prove to anyone. Of course if you need taste testers, I'll be happy to lend my services!
Hey guys.
- Thread starter PadawanWarrior
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Naw it was in reference to the 2 lb thread. I mentioned it in my post.
PadawanWarrior
Banned
Had my lady grab some Bordello cuts on her way home. I already transplanted them even though it was early. 2 in 15 gal soil I've had for 3+ years, and a couple in 1/2 gal FFHF. I consider myself a rookie still and have no problem admitting it. The World needs more humility, lol.
ttystikk
Nerd Gone Vertical
I've found that putting small plants in big pots can be problematic so I've stepped up more slowly. Once babies have filled in a 4x4" cup with roots, I go for a one gallon nursery can and when they've gotten well established in that then I go to the big pot. I did this for two reasons; one, it was really easy for me to over water and two, when I pulled the root ball apart after harvest, I noticed the roots hasn't really filled up the bucket. Intermediate pot sizes made a big difference in the quality of the root ball.
m4s73r
The Laziest
Ive never had any issues going from a cloning cup to the bed. I wonder where this idea of a "root ball" came from? I used to transplant a whole bunch of times but it seemed to slow down growth more than improve it. I have since stopped this practice. Its just more labor with no return. Even when I was in the 25 gallon pots, I only transplant once. from cloning cup to final home.
The reason people transplant is because, when you don't, the roots will naturally go straight down and won't branch out until they hit the bottom of the pot. When you start them in smaller pots, this process starts much sooner, and then when you transplant them the roots will grow out to all directions and will fill the pot more quickly.
ttystikk
Nerd Gone Vertical
I think your living soil beds are a bit of a special case. Don't get me wrong; I LIKE special cases because they point the way forward through innovation.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
When I was doing it it depended on when you transplant. There's a magic that happens up top when roots touch bottom. There's a slow period after transplant while they fill out the new soil, but timing can make it beneficial. Like letting them root a bit in the solo cups to encourage the tops to start growing more before slowing them down going into whatever is next.
Maybe, but I don't think that is as much pot size as what's in it. When he stuck the plants in it at first there was a catching up period before they took off. It's just that they only had one 'catch up' period.
Yup, they will slow down while they reach for the sides and bottom of the pot, but they will explode with growth once they do.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Another difference with the living soil stuff is that you keep the entire pot fairly moisty anyway so there's no need to try and just water the plant. You are watering the whole pot and if the plant doesn't take care of the excess water the cover crop will. Overwatering it by sticking a baby in a big pot is hard.
I get my pots ready, and the blumats going, a week or two before I transplant and then I just hand water a little around the seam when I transplant to get the soil to fill in around the young plant's root ball.
m4s73r
The Laziest
I mean, cannabis roots dont really grow like that. Maybe the main tap root on a plant from seed but not from a clone.
If you look at the image below you can see how the roots grow. Most of them grow out not down. Water roots grow down. feeder roots grow out. This is why top dressing works so well. I stopped doing all the transplanting after I saw this. This is why I want them in their final home as fast as possible. Get those feeder roots out and into the mulch layer as fast as possible. If I was trying to control the rate of growth of the plant then I could see this.
Now for a tool to keep noobs from overwatering thier plant, then yes. I wouldn't tell someone whos new to growing to not do this. But for someone who has been growing for a long time, this extra labor isnt worth the time imo.
If you look at the image below you can see how the roots grow. Most of them grow out not down. Water roots grow down. feeder roots grow out. This is why top dressing works so well. I stopped doing all the transplanting after I saw this. This is why I want them in their final home as fast as possible. Get those feeder roots out and into the mulch layer as fast as possible. If I was trying to control the rate of growth of the plant then I could see this.
Now for a tool to keep noobs from overwatering thier plant, then yes. I wouldn't tell someone whos new to growing to not do this. But for someone who has been growing for a long time, this extra labor isnt worth the time imo.
H.A.F.
a.k.a. Rusty Nails
The ones on top look for the sides of the pot and spread out, the ones going south look for the bottom then circle (or prune or whatever). In both instances there's a signal in the plant that happens. And it can happen multiple times if there are multiple repots.
Just pointing out there's no pot, or multiple re-pots in the picture for comparison. That would be cool to see if you have it.
Yes, I was talking about when you grow from seed. Clones don't have a taproot so they root out differently.
m4s73r
The Laziest
Id need more about this signal your talking about. Plants outside dont run into sides or bottom of pots. I dont see why this is of any importance to the growth rate. I ran many trials when going from root riot pucks all the way up to 2 gallon pots before transplanting into 25 gallon pots. I even wondered if shape of pot (square vs round) had any effect on the growth rate (it didnt).
However, I did notice a lag when I went from the root riot straight to the 25 gallons pot. Took like an extra day before it started to take off. But going from a 4" round right into the 25 gallon I didnt see really any delay in growth.
This is all just from being trying to be lazy and not transplant. So I will admit that I went into my experiment with a goal in mind. If there is a lag in growth rate, its minuscule and for a lazy ass like me, not even worth the time or energy. Even if it lagged a full 3 days, still not worth it to me for photos. LOL But then, Im a lazy fucking grower so keep that in mind.
twentyeight.threefive
Cocoholic
My plant roots look nothing like that. If that was the case you wouldn't be able to see any roots on the outside of the pot near the bottom.
Plants outside keep driving the taproot down until it hits an obstruction or water. With indoors, it isn't that they won't eventually fill the pot with their roots, its that transplanting them at least one or two times will cause the plant to fill out the pot faster and then the plant will have a lot more root area earlier on.
m4s73r
The Laziest
I see what your saying. Isnt the root mass and plant mass always about the same. Maybe I was transplanting too soon. I always just waited till I first saw a deficiency then up potted them when I was doing it. Thats part of why I stopped. Plants would go through some sort of deficiency once they filled out the pot. Then I had to up pot it and it would look good again. Once i stopped transplanting them, they were green and beautiful from transplant to harvest. I could have been doing it too much as well. I would up pot 4 times before they wen to final home. Maybe I needed to just do it twice.
Live and learn.
Yeah, I think there is a happy medium. I used to transplant 3 times but now I only do it twice.