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Zaphod420

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I vegged Peyote(Seedsman) for 42 days and Gorilla(Royal Queen Seeds) for 35 and against my better judgement they will be sharing a 3' X 3' tent together. The way Gorilla stretches this might be hard to manage but after fitting 2 sativas into 1 scrog I think I can pull it off. I'ma let em grow for a week and see if I need to boost or lower one of them then scrogage.
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LoudCountryBAMF

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I think it may be easier to manage scrog if you install net now.

There seems to be 2 camps in the scrog world: those that tuck from day 0 to day 21, and those that do more of a opening of the plant go for vertical growth. The latter usually end up using two nets while the former, one.

I personally tuck from day 0 to 21. My motto is "if it can be tucked under the screen, do it..."
 
Zaphod420

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I am definitely going to have to let Gorilla go vertical a bit or she will take over the whole scrog. The last time I grew her her damn colas turned into a bunch of Gorilla fingers and that was only under 200W of light(TS1000 and these 2 24W stick lights) and this time around she is going to be under a 315W TSW2000.
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I think I am going to take Gorilla off the 8 gal bucket and put her on a 5 and leave Peyote in an 8 gal with a booster collar so she can start out a little taller than gorilla and get them in a scrog real soon just to shape them Flower them for another week, HEAVY defol then 2nd scrog then another heavy defol around day 42 and a 3rd scrog lol. Oh and I wanted to ask you did Peyote Forum throw vertical growing fan leave all over the place when you grew her cuz I think my girl is already tripping and can't figure out where the damn light is lol.
 
treefarmercharlie

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Zaphod420 said:
Oi it never looks pretty when your plants 1st hit the scrog but they were both easy to work with and took it like champs. I got some work left to get them into the corners but once they go full blown stretch I am sure that won't be a problem. Great advice on getting them in a scrog ASAP LC.
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I don't even bother with a scrog net anymore. I never really used them correctly, because I find harvest to be a total pain in the balls when the plants are weaved through the net, so I just went back to using stakes to support the heavier limbs.
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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An interesting tidbit I have picked up on is that your plant is going to yield what it will yield based on the amount of veg time and the pot size. I have done side-by-sides with clones and seeds trying different pruning techniques, and the weight is usually in the same ballpark regardless of any pre-flower pruning. Less limbs and tops means a fatter return, but sometimes a little less weight.

I think that doing a scrog is more for people with plant counts or no beans or something that need to veg a long time, and it would be hard to manage unsupported. Then you are getting into the grow time vs yield discussion.
 
Zaphod420

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TreeFarmerCharlie said:
I don't even bother with a scrog net anymore. I never really used them correctly, because I find harvest to be a total pain in the balls when the plants are weaved through the net, so I just went back to using stakes to support the heavier limbs.
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If I had the plant count some of our pollen chucking brethren have I would definitely abandon using a scrog and just stake em or yo yo em once they start stage diving cuz your totally right on it being a bit of a pain in the ass BUT. For me I love using a scrog(s) as it feels like a really cool weed puzzle and if you get it right you win a extra ounce or > come chop time. It also gives me the ability to keep them out of the light if I get a real stretchy girl.
 
Zaphod420

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H.A.F. said:
An interesting tidbit I have picked up on is that your plant is going to yield what it will yield based on the amount of veg time and the pot size. I have done side-by-sides with clones and seeds trying different pruning techniques, and the weight is usually in the same ballpark regardless of any pre-flower pruning. Less limbs and tops means a fatter return, but sometimes a little less weight.

I think that doing a scrog is more for people with plant counts or no beans or something that need to veg a long time, and it would be hard to manage unsupported. Then you are getting into the grow time vs yield discussion.
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You totally nailed in my case H.A.F. That and the fact I lollipop and defol pretty hard to keep air flow flowing & PM at bay, and to also try giving all the flower sites a good view of the my light.
 
LoudCountryBAMF

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Cleaned em up a bit? Thats a pretty good haitcut :) forum will give an average stretch, so nothing too too crazy. I've got a royal gorilla seed as well, so let me know about that 1!
 
LoudCountryBAMF

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H.A.F. said:
An interesting tidbit I have picked up on is that your plant is going to yield what it will yield based on the amount of veg time and the pot size. I have done side-by-sides with clones and seeds trying different pruning techniques, and the weight is usually in the same ballpark regardless of any pre-flower pruning. Less limbs and tops means a fatter return, but sometimes a little less weight.

I think that doing a scrog is more for people with plant counts or no beans or something that need to veg a long time, and it would be hard to manage unsupported. Then you are getting into the grow time vs yield discussion.
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I just find scrog beneficial for the even canopy. Ive done 1 2 3 4plant scrogs and they all come out good. Yes 4plant scrog was the hardest to trim, but i dunno....its really just whatever is best at the time....
 
Zaphod420

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LoudCountryBAMF said:
Cleaned em up a bit? Thats a pretty good haitcut :) forum will give an average stretch, so nothing too too crazy. I've got a royal gorilla seed as well, so let me know about that 1!
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Whenever you have some space most def pop that bean of RG you got because she absolutely grows like a honey badger(don't give a FUCK lol) and is strong and tasty... Sweet/sour lemmon with a hint of cacao powder/coffee on the exhale. I think my first attempt at a "pollen chuck" will be getting her preggers with Jawa Pie(if it turns out to be a Male) or I might go HAM and try reversing her with some CS I got off Amazon.
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H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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LoudCountryBAMF said:
I just find scrog beneficial for the even canopy. Ive done 1 2 3 4plant scrogs and they all come out good. Yes 4plant scrog was the hardest to trim, but i dunno....its really just whatever is best at the time....
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I saw your current one, and it's nice work, but I asked about how old the plant was.

If you veg for 30 days, then flip, you are harvesting 4 times a year instead of 3 for a one tent grow. The extra month vegging to fill a scrog costs you a harvest per year, so your return on that one plant has to be spot on.
A 3x3 tent holds nine pots. I average 2-3zips per plant, but say 2 to be safe. That's 18oz every 3 months conservatively. 72oz/yr.
You would need to get 24oz per scrog to match that assuming three per year.

Now if you want to supercharge it, I have a rotation going. The plants are vegged elsewhere for 30 days.
They spend 8-10 weeks in the flower tent. Less than three months except for the oddball long sativa.

Oh, and if I have a plant issue I can cull - so kudos to the scroggers. Takes a steady hand to do it well.

Just stuff to think about,
 
LoudCountryBAMF

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H.A.F. said:
I saw your current one, and it's nice work, but I asked about how old the plant was.

If you veg for 30 days, then flip, you are harvesting 4 times a year instead of 3 for a one tent grow. The extra month vegging to fill a scrog costs you a harvest per year, so your return on that one plant has to be spot on.
A 3x3 tent holds nine pots. I average 2-3zips per plant, but say 2 to be safe. That's 18oz every 3 months conservatively. 72oz/yr.
You would need to get 24oz per scrog to match that assuming three per year.

Now if you want to supercharge it, I have a rotation going. The plants are vegged elsewhere for 30 days.
They spend 8-10 weeks in the flower tent. Less than three months except for the oddball long sativa.

Oh, and if I have a plant issue I can cull - so kudos to the scroggers. Takes a steady hand to do it well.

Just stuff to think about,
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I'm a math guy! I'm listening! Lol. I definitely think i prolly veg to long.... blame it on running autos. 9 pots in a 3x3 with 2 zips each? Id be willing to try that lol.!


Tell you, or anybody listening, what, i have a 4x4 with 480w that i was gonna flip whatever i have vegged in there now, but im not super excited about it.
So we can start there.
I got 9 beans from meat man to try, and am open to trying something new. So, anyone interested in showing me how to max a 4x4? I run coco perlite drain to waste, but again, am willing to adjust.....
 
H.A.F.

H.A.F.

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LoudCountryBAMF said:
I'm a math guy! I'm listening! Lol. I definitely think i prolly veg to long.... blame it on running autos. 9 pots in a 3x3 with 2 zips each? Id be willing to try that lol.!


Tell you, or anybody listening, what, i have a 4x4 with 480w that i was gonna flip whatever i have vegged in there now, but im not super excited about it.
So we can start there.
I got 9 beans from meat man to try, and am open to trying something new. So, anyone interested in showing me how to max a 4x4? I run coco perlite drain to waste, but again, am willing to adjust.....
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I know nothing about coco or any of that jazz. But I usually top mine around the 3-week mark, then flip end of the 4th. Sometimes I go 5 weeks but after that it's a project I want bulk of.

Having a separate veg area is a great investment if you have the space. It also doesn't matter how long they take to veg if you have a separate place for it. There arer people using the fluorescent tubes and good ol' CFL's for that part. If it keeps them alive it works.

If I have one go longer in veg I might drop one less bean the next month.
 
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