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[H.A.F.]

My kids were taught not to be rude and point and laugh - that's all the accomodation you get from me.

 

[H.A.F.]

as far as the dude flipping people off all day - that assumes he has no job. If my taxes are suopporting his lazy disgruntled ass, then that would be what I had issue with. If he wants to spend his weekends doing that instead of camping or fishing, then bless his heart...

 

[cedew]

Short answer - if you want to have a dick and pretend you're a chick - whatever.
If you want them to make it a law that I have to believe the "chick-with-a-dick" is normal and must be accepted as a new standard - piss off.

You be you - but if you want me to change who I am to accomodate you - you have mental issues.

I don't think there's such a thing as laws that force you to believe things, is there? This is something I've noticed from some folks, how they allow someone to impose something on them and then complain about it. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore it? From the perspective of the outside spectator looking at the gender-whatever and the person that feels like the acceptance of it is being imposed on them, it looks like a self-created problem. Some lifestyles might be annoying, but then I ignore it and it's no longer an issue. Why can't others do the same?

 

[cedew]

as far as the dude flipping people off all day - that assumes he has no job. If my taxes are suopporting his lazy disgruntled ass, then that would be what I had issue with. If he wants to spend his weekends doing that instead of camping or fishing, then bless his heart...

This is kind of ridiculous, but I'll add that as long as "had issue with" doesn't involve affecting their rights and just means you want to yell at the person or whatever, then knock yourself out, because yelling at people is your right too. Imagine if everyone wanted to have say in the behaviors of people that received some benefit of socialized funds. Nobody would get anything because we all dislike at least one aspect about a person. It's an imperfect world, just gotta deal with it at some point.

 

[treefarmercharlie]

I don't think there's such a thing as laws that force you to believe things, is there? This is something I've noticed from some folks, how they allow someone to impose something on them and then complain about it. Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore it? From the perspective of the outside spectator looking at the gender-whatever and the person that feels like the acceptance of it is being imposed on them, it looks like a self-created problem. Some lifestyles might be annoying, but then I ignore it and it's no longer an issue. Why can't others do the same?

This depends on where you live. If you never heard of all the shit that happened to professor Jordan Peterson in Canada then look it up. The bottom line is that Canada passed Bill C-16 which considers calling somone by a gender pronoun they don't associate with as a form of discrimination. When he refused to conform, and recorded videos explaining why, his career was pretty much destroyed by students and other professors who disagreed with him.

 

[cedew]

I'm not hip to Canada's constitution, but that'd be a hard sell in the US. As for the rest of it and how I perceive it with my US brain, people have the right to "destroy" his career. Cancel culture might be irritating, but forcing a private business or students to use someone's services that they don't want to would be worse. Freedom isn't synonymous with kindness.

 

[treefarmercharlie]

I'm not hip to Canada's constitution, but that'd be a hard sell in the US. As for the rest of it and how I perceive it with my US brain

There are progressive colleges in the US that have already started putting similar rules in place and have pushed for the US to follow Canada in that department.

Cancel culture might be irritating, but forcing a private business or students to use someone's services that they don't want to would be worse. Freedom isn't synonymous with kindness.

I disagree. This guy is a professor, not some racist trying to run his own business. Destroying a person's career over their thoughts and opinions should never be tolerated. That behavior is just a form of bullying that has become acceptable. Schools should be used to teach multiple beliefs and angles and shouldn't tolerate people being harassed for speaking their opinion.

 

[Streetpro09]

I'm not hip to Canada's constitution, but that'd be a hard sell in the US. As for the rest of it and how I perceive it with my US brain, people have the right to "destroy" his career. Cancel culture might be irritating, but forcing a private business or students to use someone's services that they don't want to would be worse. Freedom isn't synonymous with kindness.

What about private businesses being forced to do work for someone they don't agree with?

 

[treefarmercharlie]

Think about this for a second...

In this country you have the right to believe in whatever religion you want, as long as it is recognized, and it is against the law for employers to discriminate you for those beliefs. So, for example, I can state that I believe in a religion that oppresses women, and I can't be punished for that belief.

But if I say that I'm not religious, but I think all women are whores who should be second class citizens to their husbands, that is enough for people to talk about me on the news and destroy my business and/or life. Same goes for those who I call "racists from ignorance" (ie people who don't understand black culture or grew up in strictly white areas) who might say something that is considered racist but mean no harm from it. Those people get obliterated by the press for being raised in a way that isn't their own fault.

We should probably stop this whole discussion, though, because we are getting into politics and it was decided awhile back that we would leave politics out of this forum.

 

[cedew]

There are progressive colleges in the US that have already started putting similar rules in place and have pushed for the US to follow Canada in that department.

I disagree. This guy is a professor, not some racist trying to run his own business. Destroying a person's career over their thoughts and opinions should never be tolerated. That behavior is just a form of bullying that has become acceptable. Schools should be used to teach multiple beliefs and angles and shouldn't tolerate people being harassed for speaking their opinion.

Isn't that kind of talking about of both sides of your mouth though? As in, you think it's a negative thing that in Canada there are laws that make mean words illegal, yet you should think it's a positive thing to essentially force people to be nice to Jordan Peterson?

 

[cedew]

What about private businesses being forced to do work for someone they don't agree with?

No shirt no shoes no service. Private businesses should be free to work with whomever they want, even if I think it's super stupid/rude/cruel, because if my opinion controls others, then others aren't free. Again, here's the basics of how principles and ideologies work; you must be able to support things you dislike and you must be able to reject things you like, because if you aren't doing that, then you don't actually have any principles/ideologies.

 

[cedew]

Think about this for a second...

In this country you have the right to believe in whatever religion you want, as long as it is recognized, and it is against the law for employers to discriminate you for those beliefs. So, for example, I can state that I believe in a religion that oppresses women, and I can't be punished for that belief.

But if I say that I'm not religious, but I think all women are whores who should be second class citizens to their husbands, that is enough for people to talk about me on the news and destroy my business and/or life. Same goes for those who I call "racists from ignorance" (ie people who don't understand black culture or grew up in strictly white areas) who might say something that is considered racist but mean no harm from it. Those people get obliterated by the press for being raised in a way that isn't their own fault.

We should probably stop this whole discussion, though, because we are getting into politics and it was decided awhile back that we would leave politics out of this forum.

I'm not hip to the specific rules here, but what I've seen elsewhere is that it's okay as long as we're not talking about political parties and politicians, which honestly I have no interest in discussing them. I do like discussing principles though...

Personally, I don't think religion should be protected, or at least it shouldn't be protected anymore than any other idea, because that's all it is. It has no business being included with the other categories of things you're born with and have no control over, color, gender, etc. All it is, is something you think, an idea, a belief, nothing more. Someone's ideas about religion shouldn't be protected any more/less than someone's ideas about ice cream.

 

[treefarmercharlie]

Isn't that kind of talking about of both sides of your mouth though? As in, you think it's a negative thing that in Canada there are laws that make mean words illegal, yet you should think it's a positive thing to essentially force people to be nice to Jordan Peterson?

No, what I'm saying is that everyone should be able to freely think about whatever they want as long as they don't use their feelings or opinions to prevent others from succeeding at life. I never said people should be nice to him...but letting people destroy his speaking engagements and letting them destroy his career is far off from letting people have an opinion on his thoughts and opinions. There are many different levels between being nice and outright harassment.

 

[cedew]

I think we have to dissect what it means to destroy someone's career and see if it's possible to make laws to stop someone from performing those actions without violating their rights. That's what I'm referring to as forcing them to be nice, as in, it's now illegal to be mean.

 

[High kev]

 

[Streetpro09]

No shirt no shoes no service. Private businesses should be free to work with whomever they want, even if I think it's super stupid/rude/cruel, because if my opinion controls others, then others aren't free. Again, here's the basics of how principles and ideologies work; you must be able to support things you dislike and you must be able to reject things you like, because if you aren't doing that, then you don't actually have any principles/ideologies.

Oh I understand how they work. I was just asking to get an idea of you. .

 

[cedew]

Oh I understand how they work. I was just asking to get an idea of you. .

Gotcha, didn't mean to imply that you didn't, only wanting to bring up what I think is really important and severely lacking these days. Regardless of what we think, most of us can work together when we follow that basic rule of consistently applying our principles, even when we don't like it, *especially* when we don't like it. When you know and understand another person, it's usually something you can work with. What you can't work with is someone trying to make the world into just the things they like.

 

[Streetpro09]

Gotcha, didn't mean to imply that you didn't, only wanting to bring up what I think is really important and severely lacking these days. Regardless of what we think, most of us can work together when we follow that basic rule of consistently applying our principles, even when we don't like it, *especially* when we don't like it. When you know and understand another person, it's usually something you can work with. What you can't work with is someone trying to make the world into just the things they like.

There are allot of people that are only in it for themselves. They are usually easy to pick out with simple conversations. Idk people are interesting to say the least.

 

[Hotwired]

I think HAF is afraid of penis. If I ever had a fight with HAF all I would have to do is whip out my giant penis and scare him away. If he shoots me then he would have to explain to the judge that my penis was a threatening menace and he was afraid it was going to harm him. Then when he gets to jail he will be threatened by much larger and more menacing penis. With smiley faces painted on them

 

[treefarmercharlie]

I think HAF is afraid of penis. If I ever had a fight with HAF all I would have to do is whip out my giant penis and scare him away. If he shoots me then he would have to explain to the judge that my penis was a threatening menace and he was afraid it was going to harm him. Then when he gets to jail he will be threatened by much larger and more menacing penis. With smiley faces painted on them

Is it large enough, and menacing enough, to be considered a club?