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gwheels

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Don't take this as support for Trump, because it isn't, it's just common knowledge....We aren't going to be able to fix our system without it costing us more. The problem is that people here are hypocrites, and they think it's perfectly fine to have everything we want produced by slave labor in China, while fighting against slave labor in the US. Another problem is that most people would also be unwilling to give up their precious iPhone/Android and they are unwilling to pay the price they would cost if they were manufactured here. The only way we will be able to bring more work back here, and cut down on the slave labor, would be for us to be able to accept the fact that most of us won't be able to afford a lot of the electronics we take for granted today. But, so many people feel entitled to stuff like that, so it's a hard fight. I have more technoligy in my house that I can't afford than most people at the same income level as me, but most of that is because of my job, and not so much because I can afford it. To put it into perspective, though, the touch panels we used to sell and install used to be manufactured in NJ and a 10" panel used to cost our clients about $4,000 retail, and the question we always got was "why can I get a far more powerful iPad for far less than that?".


This is what Trump is trying to change. He's trying to get Americans to produce more of what we need.
You are so off the tariff point it is inane....he upped the tariff to appease the aluminum producers for VOTES...to pump the locales that produce.

But they will never produce enough...so YOU PAY MORE.

it is opprtunistic to gain in one area.

You know that our punitive tariffs will be to ensure the republican areas suffer to sway votes to the dems?

That is the shooting your partner in the foot thing.

Ok time to clean the pool...smoke some weed and get off the itnernet.

dons schemes are beyond the comprehension of the masses i guess.

AS you were.
 

treefarmercharlie

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You are so off the tariff point it is inane....he upped the tariff to appease the aluminum producers for VOTES...to pump the locales that produce.

But they will never produce enough...so YOU PAY MORE.

it is opprtunistic to gain in one area.

You know that our punitive tariffs will be to ensure the republican areas suffer to sway votes to the dems?

That is the shooting your partner in the foot thing.

Ok time to clean the pool...smoke some weed and get off the itnernet.

dons schemes are beyond the comprehension of the masses i guess.

AS you were.
As I said...I'm sure some of what he's doing is for personal reasons. I'm talking about the over all tariffs, not just the one on aluminum. The fact of the matter is that we outsource too much labor and need to bring a lot back to the US. Do you not agree with that statement?
 

hhibrownsbacker

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Or if they fuck something up insurance won’t cover it
If they don't speak English they can still be used. With as many as we had at times there was always one of our main guys there who could explain what we wanted and would act as a translator. Seriously, a couple of the illegals we had would blow away most journeymen with the knowledge they had. To use them as translators made them feel even more important also. I remember one we had, who would basically walk around and explain what we were doing, why we were doing it, and showed them how to do it, and finally kept a eye open to make sure it would pass code. This kid made over 25 a hour and was worth every penny of it. I cant count the times I told him what I wanted done and would figure it will take him 2 days and then show up at the end of the day and it was finished. And even if they did F something up, you just redid it and moved on. The fact remains that without them very little got done
 

H.A.F.

a.k.a. Rusty Nails
You are so off the tariff point it is inane....he upped the tariff to appease the aluminum producers for VOTES...to pump the locales that produce.
Lemme guess - those "locales" happens to be in America? And those tariffs are good for some Americans - and others won't notice? Sounds like a win-win to me.
 

H.A.F.

a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Trump will win reelection mainly because he is running against a demented sock-puppet. He doesn't need to buy votes. He is doing things to boost AMERICAN industry and AMERICAN manufacturing. Wanna know the other effects that tariffs have? This is from a year or so ago.
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H.A.F.

a.k.a. Rusty Nails
Basically, on the tariff and trade stuff I trust the billionaire. That is business, not politics. The politics part of it and trying to appease other countries is what got us the shitty trade deals we had.

And the career politicians that bought votes or lined their pockets with the previous deals are pissed about it.
 

hhibrownsbacker

Super Active Member
So China's going to let the US ship rice to them. With the size of the rice production (or lack of) in the US, they are sure going out on a limb. Im trying to think if I have ever even seen a rice patty anywhere in the US.
 
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treefarmercharlie

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So China's going to let the US ship rice to them. With the size of the rice production (or lack of) in the US they are sure going out on a limb. Im trying to think if I have ever even seen a rice patty anywhere in the US.
Rice is the 3rd largest cereal crop produced int he US. I wouldn't consider 3.3 million acres being used for rice production a lack of anything.

 

Punisher84

Just some asshole
August 7, 2020 (Friday)

America’s top news continues to touch on the upcoming election.

The Friday night news dump was about the United States Postal Service. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, a Trump loyalist, has recently created new rules for the agency that have dramatically slowed the delivery of mail just as mail-in voting for 2020 has begun. Today, DeJoy overhauled the USPS, releasing a new organizational chart that displaces postal executives with decades of experience and concentrates power in DeJoy himself. Twenty-three executives have been reassigned or fired; five have been moved in from other roles. The seven regions of the nation will become four, and the USPS will have a hiring freeze. DeJoy says the new organization will create “clear lines of authority and accountability.”

There is reason to be suspicious of DeJoy’s motives. Not only have his new regulations slowed mail delivery, but also under him the USPS has told states that ballots will have to carry first-class 55-cent postage rather than the normal 20-cent bulk rate, almost tripling the cost of mailing ballots. This seems to speak to Trump’s wish to make mail-in ballots problematic for states. And DeJoy and his wife, Aldona Wos, whom Trump has nominated to become ambassador to Canada, own between $30.1 million and $75.3 million of assets in competitors to the USPS. This seems to speak to the report issued by the Trump administration shortly after the president took office, calling for the privatization of the USPS.

Yesterday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called out the policies that slowed the delivery of essential mail, “including medicines for seniors, paychecks for workers, and absentee ballots for voters.” They called for DeJoy’s recent changes to be reversed.

But that was not the only news today that touches on the election. William Evanina, director of the National Counterintelligence and Security Center in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, released a statement saying that the 2020 election is being threatened by foreign actors.

It was a carefully worded statement, obviously trying to say that China, Russia, and Iran were equally involved in affecting the upcoming election. But the assessment simply says that China prefers that Trump not win reelection and has said so, and that Iran will probably spread disinformation and anti-American content online.

Russia, in contrast, is actively at work to help Trump and hurt presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden. “For example,” Evanina writes, “pro-Russia Ukrainian parliamentarian Andriy Derkach is spreading claims about corruption – including through publicizing leaked phone calls – to undermine former Vice President Biden’s candidacy and the Democratic Party. Some Kremlin-linked actors are also seeking to boost President Trump’s candidacy on social media and Russian television.”

Derkach has repeatedly met with Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has publicized information Derkach has provided. Derkach “doesn’t seem pro-Russian to me,” Giuliani said. In contrast, Michael Carpenter, a former senior Defense Department official now advising Biden on foreign policy, says Derkach’s trickle-release of tapes purporting to be damaging to Biden are “a KGB-style disinformation operation tied to pro-Russian forces in Ukraine whose chief aim is to make deceptive noise in the U.S. election campaign to advance the interests of their oligarchic backers, the Kremlin, and the faltering Trump campaign.”

Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI) chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, who is scrutinizing Joe Biden’s son Hunter and the Ukrainian company on whose board he sat, seems also to be entertaining the idea that Derkach’s tapes show Biden’s corruption. Johnson is working with Senate Finance Committee Chairman Charles Grassley (R-Iowa). Their actions prompted Pelosi and Schumer to ask the FBI to brief all members of Congress about the ongoing Russia disinformation campaign. What they got, apparently, was today’s announcement.

Meanwhile, news dropped today that while Trump has refused to bring up with Putin the reports that Russian operatives paid Taliban-linked fighters to kill American or allied troops, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo did so. Pompeo was allegedly “livid’ at the bounty story. It seems likely that Pompeo’s newfound independence has more to do with his political ambitions than with the principle of protecting our troops. Certainly, with the president calling the bounty story a “hoax,” it is unlikely the Russians will pay Pompeo’s anger any attention.

Staunch Trump supporter and evangelical leader Jerry Falwell, Jr. will be taking an “indefinite leave of absence” from the presidency of Liberty University after Falwell posted to Instagram a picture of himself with his pants unzipped and open, with his arm around a young woman similarly undressed. Liberty University is an evangelical college, and was founded by Falwell’s father.

This will not help the president. Evangelical support for Trump has been wavering such that Trump yesterday felt obliged to tell supporters in Ohio that Biden, a staunch Catholic who has been open about his faith, believes in “no religion, no anything, hurt the Bible, hurt God. He’s against God.”

Last night, a judge ruled that Trump can no longer stall a defamation lawsuit filed by E. Jean Carroll, an advice columnist who claims Trump raped her twenty years ago. Carroll sued Trump when he called her a liar. Her lawyers will now be able to depose Trump, and to try to get a DNA test from him to compare the results to material on the dress she was wearing when he allegedly attacked her. Today Carroll tweeted at the president: “IT’S ON!! See you in court.”

Talks between Democratic leadership and the White House over a new coronavirus relief bill fell apart today. With Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) first refusing to take up the bill the House passed in May and now boycotting the negotiations, the job of writing a new bill has fallen to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, and White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

The Democrats have proposed a $3.4 trillion bill that extends federal unemployment benefits, provides $915 billion in direct aid to workers, shores up state and local governments, and provides $3.6 billion to enable officials to run the 2020 election. The White House wants a $1 trillion bill that provides significantly less money in direct aid, election protection, and so on. It also does not want to provide aid to schools unless they reopen in person immediately.

Republicans are accusing Democrats of being unwilling to compromise because the cratering economy will hurt Trump’s reelection prospects. Today, the Democrats offered to compromise with a bill that appropriates $2 trillion, but Meadows and Mnuchin rejected it out of hand. “The Speaker made a very fair offer — let’s narrow each — and you should’ve seen the vehemence,” Schumer said. “You should’ve seen their faces, ‘absolutely not.’ I said, ‘you mean you want it to go almost all in your direction or you won’t negotiate?’ and they said, ‘yeah.'”

Tonight, at a press conference at his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, Trump said that with the talks falling apart, he will provide money for the programs he wants—including payroll tax cuts that will take money from Social Security-- through executive orders. “If Democrats continue to hold this critical relief hostage, I will act under my authority as president to get Americans the relief they need,” Trump said. But this action would create a crisis, since the Constitution gives to the House of Representatives sole authority to appropriate money.

The Founders gave the House of Representatives what is known as “the power of the purse” because they wanted to guarantee that the Chief Executive would never be able to dictate laws solely on his own authority.
Can’t believe anything you read in the news.

Postal service is just another failed government program. Needs to go away.
 

High kev

Yankee seeds
Breeder
If they don't speak English they can still be used. With as many as we had at times there was always one of our main guys there who could explain what we wanted and would act as a translator. Seriously, a couple of the illegals we had would blow away most journeymen with the knowledge they had. To use them as translators made them feel even more important also. I remember one we had, who would basically walk around and explain what we were doing, why we were doing it, and showed them how to do it, and finally kept a eye open to make sure it would pass code. This kid made over 25 a hour and was worth every penny of it. I cant count the times I told him what I wanted done and would figure it will take him 2 days and then show up at the end of the day and it was finished. And even if they did F something up, you just redid it and moved on. The fact remains that without them very little got done
All I’m saying if You hire anyone that doesn’t have insurance legal or illegal and something major gets messed up a contractor with insurance has lot more safety behind what you pay for. Sometimes big mistakes happen to the best of the best. For example someone fixing a foundation and Half the house falls down as they’re replacing the wall cause a jack gave out or something crazy. Just saying big jobs u should hire someone that has insurance
 

hhibrownsbacker

Super Active Member
Rice is the 3rd largest cereal crop produced int he US. I wouldn't consider 3.3 million acres being used for rice production a lack of anything.

The rice production in the US is not even comparable to the rice production in China(50X more). Your link shows exactly what Im trying to say. Even if the US were to send ALL of the rice it produces to China it still wouldnt amount to a pile of beans in comparison to what they already have. Trump and the American public would be further ahead if he shipped them beans, wheat, corn, whatever, and not rice and try to make it sound like its a big deal.
 

treefarmercharlie

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The rice production in the US is not even comparable to the rice production in China(50X more). Your link shows exactly what Im trying to say. Even if the US were to send ALL of the rice it produces to China it still wouldnt amount to a pile of beans in comparison to what they already have. Trump and the American public would be further ahead if he shipped them beans, wheat, corn, whatever, and not rice and try to make it sound like its a big deal.
That's not what you said, you said we have a lack of rice production in the US and followed that up by saying you can't recall ever seeing a rice patty in the US. But, what does it matter if we are still exporting it to them, anyway?
 

JohnFonda

Tegrity Greenthumb
The price of nothing has gone up - and the price of gas has been below $2 since the election, and he shut down the EPA bullshit on getting our own oil. The price everything is the same, but I am not buying Chinese crap any more, so I am spending more - by choice.
You know where the majority of raw aluminum comes from. China. Happened with electronics too when he placed the tariffs. Companies that relied on leds etc from china were hit really hard. If you want local production there is a ism that supports that. What's wrong with outsourcing labor too? Who cares if Bob doesn't have a job if Mitch is getting twice as rich. Isnt winning, winning ? Why you all so jealous? If you domt want the labor outsourced just buy all the companies and relocate them here. Easy.
 

Whip Eurass

Super Active Member
Is it just impossible to admit when he makes a mistake? i dont get it.
We survived 8 years of 'change you can believe in', and we thought we'd get [at least] 4 years of Hillary.

If you had just escaped an 8 yr tryst with Whoopi, you'd be more likely to accept the flaws Susie Diamond might bring to a new coupling.

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Whip Eurass

Super Active Member
The price of nothing has gone up -
ALPO has went from $8 to $10 a case to $25 a case on amazon and walmart, and both places are out of stock.
Cheeseburgers are no longer on the Dollar menu - up to $1.25 this week. Just a harbinger of what's to come. Money backed by nothing becomes worth less [ worthless] soon enough.
 
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