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treefarmercharlie

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Where does your info come from? I can assure you I I'm not into state media. I dont even watch cable tv. Haven't since I was very young. My freshman year in high school we had to write a paper on the American dream. My teacher asked if she could keep it for future classes and read it to all the classes she had at the time. Needless to say I didn't glorify it. Age does not equal intelligence or wisdom. I've been around plenty long enough to see that. Check tesla, Einstein, and many others who achieved great things at the age of 26. I'd vote in someome from that age group before any of the geriatrics we are given to pick from.
I never equated age with intelligence. I equated age with life experience and understanding how society runs. Certain things can only be gained from time.
 
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Except I'm not getting paid to pay taxes ?
You aren't? Why are you paying taxes if you aren't getting paid? What makes your job any less of a support to war than an enlistee who hands towels out at the base gym? You do realize that members of the military ALSO pay taxes, too, right?
 
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JohnFonda

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Please elaborate. Can't wait.
I want to talk about our common responsibilities in the face of a common danger. The events of recent weeks may have helped to illuminate that challenge for some; but the dimensions of its threat have loomed large on the horizon for many years. Whatever our hopes may be for the future--for reducing this threat or living with it--there is no escaping either the gravity or the totality of its challenge to our survival and to our security--a challenge that confronts us in unaccustomed ways in every sphere of human activity.

This deadly challenge imposes upon our society two requirements of direct concern both to the press and to the President--two requirements that may seem almost contradictory in tone, but which must be reconciled and fulfilled if we are to meet this national peril. I refer, first, to the need for a far greater public information; and, second, to the need for far greater official secrecy.

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The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.

But I do ask every publisher, every editor, and every newsman in the nation to reexamine his own standards, and to recognize the nature of our country's peril. In time of war, the government and the press have customarily joined in an effort based largely on self-discipline, to prevent unauthorized disclosures to the enemy. In time of "clear and present danger," the courts have held that even the privileged rights of the First Amendment must yield to the public's need for national security.

Today no war has been declared--and however fierce the struggle may be, it may never be declared in the traditional fashion. Our way of life is under attack. Those who make themselves our enemy are advancing around the globe. The survival of our friends is in danger. And yet no war has been declared, no borders have been crossed by marching troops, no missiles have been fired.

If the press is awaiting a declaration of war before it imposes the self-discipline of combat conditions, then I can only say that no war ever posed a greater threat to our security. If you are awaiting a finding of "clear and present danger," then I can only say that the danger has never been more clear and its presence has never been more imminent.

It requires a change in outlook, a change in tactics, a change in missions--by the government, by the people, by every businessman or labor leader, and by every newspaper. For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.
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That's a really big can of worms to open but this should clarify a bit.
 

JohnFonda

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You aren't? Why are you paying taxes if you aren't getting paid? What makes your job any less of a support to war than an enlistee who hands towels out at the base gym? You do realize that members of the military ALSO pay taxes, too, right?
I'm paying taxes on money I am paid. I am not being paid to pay taxes ? Is that that hard of a concept to grasp?
 

treefarmercharlie

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I'm paying taxes on money I am paid. I am not being paid to pay taxes ? Is that that hard of a concept to grasp?
How is that any different than a soldier doing a regular job on a military installation who never sees battle? In case you are unaware, those soldiers are the vast majority of our military.
 
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JohnFonda

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How is that any different than a soldier doing a regular job on a military installation who never sees battle? In case you are unaware, those soldiers are the vast majority of our military.
I didnt make the choice to pay taxes to a institution that loses 23 billion dollars mysteriously. It's part of the deal I never signed.
 

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To mandate masks months into a scamdemic on the chance that there might be a resurgence is fucking stupid. They haven't been right about a thing yet.
This I can agree on. Mainly because of nonsensical policies and people who even if it was effective isnt going to work because of how its used and not whether it is or isnt.
 

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A mask is a spit catcher for if you are coughing and sneezing, preventing those high velocity droplets from escaping. The virus if airborne has nothing to do with the droplets any more. And if you are just regularly breathing you will still inhale and exhale any virus. It is smaller than the holes in the damn mask.

Doctors are around people that may be coughing and sneezing - SICK PEOPLE. Healthy people you meet in the store are not a threat, and if they were the mask wouldn't do a damn thing.

And if you're sick you should stay the fuck home and not need a mask either.
Ever hear of a incubation period?
 

JohnFonda

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It has not been proven to be transmitted by casual contact. If you ain't sick and I ain't sick it really doesn't matter. The "tested positive" people are generally symptom free and will remain that way, and so will anyone they come in contact with - it is called herd immunity. If you are elderly, or have a breathing disorder, you know your risks - I know mine - Not wearing a fucking worthless mask.
Except people have got the virus again shortly after getting it initially. Immunity is never a guarantee. They tried hard immunity other places. Didnt work so well.
 

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An N95 mask is great if you are operating a belt sander, or mowing a dusty yard, etc. Those particles are big and get stuck in the mask. Viruses are microscopic. Like reeeeeeeealy tiny. Mask does not stop the little buggers. Wear one if it makes you safe and happy - and stay the FUCK out of my life.
Masks can filter particles as small as 0.007 microns – 10 times smaller than viruses ...
 

JohnFonda

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Not the N95 and not bandanas.
Not bandanas no or basic cloths but the not can. Not rated for it but has been shown 95% effective against particles of corona size. The mask mandate is foolish not because or science. Just because how it was mandated to begin with. Trying to watch people put on a basic cloth mask was a clear example it wouldmt work very well
 
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