Domestic Terrorism

[H.A.F.]

Europe would be speaking German if not for America, and most of the Asian continent and island nations would be Japanese.
Look at the technology and basic lifestyle upgrades (and American small business support) that went with the space race.
We just put men back in space - up there right now - and fuckers are tearing down statues cancelling cartoons and offended by syrup.

 

[H.A.F.]

I'm in my 20s

Which means that most of your adult life all you can remember is Obama as pResident and the media sucking his dick with never a question as to his methods and motives. Then the same media that thought that cunt Hillary would be a good president - so they hate Trump. He put the wrench in all their silly little gears.

 

[H.A.F.]

Every minute a garbage truck of plastic is dumped in the ocean.

Not from America it is not - why aren't you complaining about the countries that ACTUALLY do that polluting, we have fucking laws against it. We have laws against over-fishing. We enforce them They are usually broken by foreign ships invading our territorial waters.

I've seen the amount of waste and use of plastics etc just from myself in that short time.

Then fix yourself. Come up with good ideas and maybe profit off of it. But don't come up with craptastic things like banning plastic straws. All that shit in the ocean either comes from the tourist tossing it in at the beach (littering - illegal already) or from foreign countries. 3rd world shitholes that dump their refuse in the water. Seen it. No sewer systems either.

 

[H.A.F.]

Which brings us back to why this is all happening - because


Wake up!

 

[H.A.F.]

Seriously, check out some of the people in the "walk away" campaign. Former lefties that took the red pill.

 

[H.A.F.]

We have laws against over-fishing. We enforce them They are usually broken by foreign ships invading our territorial waters.

The Coast Guard enforces THAT border, including the ones with illegals on rafts and cocaine submarines. Keeping American fishies safe.
Borders work and are necessary or you don't have a country.

 

[JohnFonda]

My issue with the liberal mindset is that they want to help everybody. Period. Damn the consequences.

Yes. OUR problem is American. We pay taxes to make America better. Not some third world shithole. And America still has problems, so you fix your own shit and make it run smooth before worrying about any other country. Look at the economy for the USA compared to the rest of the world. With all the deregulation and fair trade deals, and reduction in foreign spending, we could start getting out of the national debt we are in.

• By keeping the illegals out of the country we can put more AMERICANS to work.
• By not rewarding companies for moving their manufacturing to foreign countries (tariffs, lower corporate taxes here than there)
• By making these companies see profit in investing in America.
• The left says the illegals are doing jobs Americans don't want to do... Not for less than fucking minimum wage with no benefits they don't! Why aren't they prosecuting companies for using illegals as basically slave labor and making them hire Americans for a fair wage?

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While I agree with most of it the issue isnt we arent on the same page haf we are in a different book. You see the world with a mind that is bound by the constructs laid before you. I see the world for not just what it is but what it can be. Like machines are taking American jobs. Oh no. Isnt that the whole fucking point of technology? To relieve the human workload and limit suffering? We have reached a point now where we really can begin taking steps to full automation which will only free more time up for more innovation learning and community development. Without the lack of resources you have way less conflict. Why is crime higher in areas ridden with poverty ? Idc if 100% of the population is employed if 17% of the jobs actually have a purpose and 50% of people are actually benefiting and 14% of them content. The amount of resources that go into just moving money itself for the sake of making more money is unbelievable. The issue is this would all take real work, and real sacrifice. Especially from the peope who benefit the most from today's ideals of living. Or we can just ride this train till it falls off the tracks . all good . I'll just keep some canned food and hollows on hand.

 

[JohnFonda]

Which means that most of your adult life all you can remember is Obama as pResident and the media sucking his dick with never a question as to his methods and motives. Then the same media that thought that cunt Hillary would be a good president - so they hate Trump. He put the wrench in all their silly little gears.

Well if I gave that any thought. Only place I think a politician belongs is at the end of a rope. Bubba Wallace garage style rope.

 

[H.A.F.]

The simple fact is that the worst cities in America by whatever measurements you use other than "we have a pretty landscape" are run by liberals. The cities that are on fire and in debt right now are run by liberals. The cities that were still in decline when the rest of the country was on the way up are run by liberals.

You can't prove your policies will work to make a city better - but you want to infect the whole country with it.

 

[JohnFonda]

Not from America it is not - why aren't you complaining about the countries that ACTUALLY do that polluting, we have fucking laws against it. We have laws against over-fishing. We enforce them They are usually broken by foreign ships invading our territorial waters.

Then fix yourself. Come up with good ideas and maybe profit off of it. But don't come up with craptastic things like banning plastic straws. All that shit in the ocean either comes from the tourist tossing it in at the beach (littering - illegal already) or from foreign countries. 3rd world shitholes that dump their refuse in the water. Seen it. No sewer systems either.

That's why it's a world problem, hence our problem. I agree with borders as I stated the world needs much time for everything to evolve and people to die new ideas can flow. Over time they can dissolve though.

With a border comes a war budget. The world wastes most its resources on war budgets and the cause for war is a lack of resources or the pursuit of abundance. Makes you scratch your head.....This isnt a overnight process. With the removal of political figureheads and reconstruct of global governments it could happen much faster however.

A US and German soldier in foxholes 10 yards apart trying to kill eachother and survive. If they had the chance I think they'd rather share a beer and talk about life and relate. Even say a few fuck Hitler's.

 

[H.A.F.]

While I agree with most of it the issue isnt we arent on the same page haf we are in a different book. You see the world with a mind that is bound by the constructs laid before you. I see the world for not just what it is but what it can be.

Wow - do you even understand that? My "constructs" are actually factual based things that work, not theories and bullshit that will cause massive destruction to even try. Socialism kills. Always. The only people that benefit from it are the ones saying "vote for me"

Like machines are taking American jobs. Oh no. Isnt that the whole fucking point of technology?

Don't care about machines - there is a declining population that can actually invent, maintain or run them - with their PhD in social justice...
I do care about Americans having first shot at that job over foreigners.

Idc if 100% of the population is employed if 17% of the jobs actually have a purpose and 50% of people are actually benefiting and 14% of them content.

And who get's to decide what is "essential"? YOU?
If you are providing a service that people pay for, and supports your family, you are essential.
When people are not destitute or living paycheck to paycheck, there is less crime, less poverty etc. It's just logic.

The issue is this would all take real work, and real sacrifice.

Again - Join the Peace Corps

I'll just keep some canned food and hollows on hand.

Still have my supply from when B.Hussein was trying to destroy the country.

 

[H.A.F.]

That's why it's a world problem, hence our problem.

NO. That is two different problems. If every country fixes their own shit, the world gets better. Our shit ain't fixed yet.

With a border comes a war budget.

We already have one - being spent in a hundred countries around the world, and not defending OUR OWN COUNTRY.

A US and German soldier in foxholes 10 yards apart trying to kill eachother and survive. If they had the chance I think they'd rather share a beer and talk about life and relate. Even say a few fuck Hitler's.

Except that the German soldier was a brain-washed socialist that thought everyone else was wrong and evil. ,

 

[JohnFonda]

Socialism kills. Always. The only people that benefit from it are the ones saying "vote for me"
Any examples of this? You cant quote American politics because it wouldnt be socialism it would just be stupidity.

Don't care about machines - there is a declining population that can actually invent, maintain or run them - with their PhD in social justice...
I do care about Americans having first shot at that job over foreigners.


And who get's to decide what is "essential"? YOU?
If you are providing a service that people pay for, and supports your family, you are essential.
When people are not destitute or living paycheck to paycheck, there is less crime, less poverty etc. It's just logic.

Yet a good portion of America does just that.

Again - Join the Peace Corps


Still have my supply from when B.Hussein was trying to destroy the country.

 

[JohnFonda]

Well that ended up shitty. Any examples of socialism killing?

That's a issue is the lack of importance and mind given to such things in modern society. Intelligence isnt exactly celebrated.

 

[H.A.F.]

If you want to see a microcosm of how socialism works, Minneapolis city council unanimously approved to dismantle the police department - while simultaneously securing private security for themselves, because, you know, the elites have to be protected from the peasants. I believe the cost to taxpayers was $4500 per day.

 

[H.A.F.]

Any examples of socialism killing?

Are you fucking SERIOUS???

I'm done here.

 

[JohnFonda]

If you want to see a microcosm of how socialism works, Minneapolis city council unanimously approved to dismantle the police department - while simultaneously securing private security for themselves, because, you know, the elites have to be protected from the peasants. I believe the cost to taxpayers was $4500 per day.

That's not socialism?

 

[JohnFonda]

Except that the German soldier was a brain-washed socialist that thought everyone else was wrong and evil. ,
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Cant fucking unQUOTE this whole thing. Response below lol.

You truly believe that? Let me guess you would have risked your family and sacrificed your life valiantly in the name of what is right? If you were an American soldier in Vietnam you would have stopped others and shot your fellow soldiers during the My Lai and similar killings?

 

[JohnFonda]

That's what I meant by mental construct and where we disconnect. I'm all for improving what we have in the meantime and cant argue most of your points on policy. However you are arguing the optimization of a suboptimal society. I'm arguing to use this society to forge a better one where such points dont even exist. I lived through the Obama age etc but also the information age not the cold war and propaganda age where you could only see or hear what was directly shown or told yo you. You got Ronald and we got Donald. They're all clowns.

 

[Proud420]

That's what I meant by mental construct and where we disconnect. I'm all for improving what we have in the meantime and cant argue most of your points on policy. However you are arguing the optimization of a suboptimal society. I'm arguing to use this society to forge a better one where such points dont even exist. I lived through the Obama age etc but also the information age not the cold war and propaganda age where you could only see or hear what was directly shown or told yo you. You got Ronald and we got Donald. They're all clowns.

Why do you want to give to others ? We want to fight and take from them! That is how the world is evolving since stone age! If they did it this way that long they must have been doing something right.