Breeding with feminized seeds ?

[Artisan_tek]

seed companys popping up everywhere now and with some of the cuts going for 15 and 20 grand i know their whole business model is popping some other guys s1's and starting a line.

Id say go for it!

 

[Bud Jones]

I just hit follow. Cannalope Haze is my favorite and a staple in my garden. Great producer, good finish time, and easy to grow.

Plus bulletproof outdoors .No mold and last year was terrible rain . Had mold on everything other than the Cannalope..

 

[Now1more]

Plus bulletproof outdoors .No mold and last year was terrible rain . Had mold on everything other than the Cannalope..

Yup, and when my indoor crop hermied, cannalope remained resistant! Cookies Kush was the worst... hermied like a mofo. Got 1 1/4 ozs. off of two plants. My idiot oldest son was going down to the basement to RIP butts at night while we're all sleeping. Granted, he doesn't know anything about growing and lights out, but come on! Don't be smoking butts in my house! Sheesh!!! 20 somethings.

 

[curious2garden]

I’ve heard different opinions regarding using feminized seeds for breeding .. Seems to be a few schools of thought on this topic . . Anyone who has , please chime in .

I breed with fems. Sometimes you need those genetics. Then you pop a bunch and find out which carry the traits you desire and then it comes down to generational breeding for stability and line breeding to strengthen the desired traits.

 

[Highland Rogue]

Plus bulletproof outdoors .No mold and last year was terrible rain . Had mold on everything other than the Cannalope..

No mold is always nice.

If you don't mind sharing your experience with Cannelope Haze a bit more, about when did it finish, approx. latitude ?

 

[Bud Jones]

No mold is always nice.

If you don't mind sharing your experience with Cannelope Haze a bit more, about when did it finish, approx. latitude ?

Around 45n .. Last week in September, was a 60/40 amber trichs.. Beautiful chunky spear like colas . Lime green. Melon green apple exhale . Great up sativa high.. Winner all around . Solid plant structure for outdoor.

 

[Highland Rogue]

Around 45n .. Last week in September, was a 60/40 amber trichs.. Beautiful chunky spear like colas . Lime green. Melon green apple exhale . Great up sativa high.. Winner all around . Solid plant structure for outdoor.

Thanks.

 

[Now1more]

No mold is always nice.

If you don't mind sharing your experience with Cannelope Haze a bit more, about when did it finish, approx. latitude ?

I had to dig out a notebook. Here it goes. 12/3/2018 Picked up one Cannalope Haze clone. 12/21 first nutes... bat guano in a new batch of living soil.

1/7/2019 flipped to flower and still running 600w MH @ 14 hours from 24 hour cycle.

1/9/2019 switched to 12 hour cycle and HPS.

Water, top dress with ewc, and compost teas. I do Earthjuice and along with calmag, and seaweed for nutes. I also use molasses and EM1 along the way. Side note, as this was a new batch of soil I use nutes rather than just watering.

3/9/2019 harvest.

Harvest dry weight of one plant = 37.2 grams grown in 5 gallon bucket. Not the best, but out performed by a smig gg4 and trainwreck.

Now 2 years later still growing it, still loving it.

The high is awesome. You barely feel high. You just feel energetic, motivated, focused, and best of all... no come down. 3 hours later, after you've done a shit load of chores, you're left saying to yourself... I don't feel high.

 

[Now1more]

Btw, I'm at 43.5° N.

 

[Now1more]

And sorry, couldn't find the outdoor journal off hand. Basement is a mess as I create my veg space and looking at a perpetual grow. Got a lot of good beans on the way from GLG and a friend gifted me Blissful Wizard.

 

[Bud Jones]

I had to dig out a notebook. Here it goes. 12/3/2018 Picked up one Cannalope Haze clone. 12/21 first nutes... bat guano in a new batch of living soil.

1/7/2019 flipped to flower and still running 600w MH @ 14 hours from 24 hour cycle.

1/9/2019 switched to 12 hour cycle and HPS.

Water, top dress with ewc, and compost teas. I do Earthjuice and along with calmag, and seaweed for nutes. I also use molasses and EM1 along the way. Side note, as this was a new batch of soil I use nutes rather than just watering.

3/9/2019 harvest.

Harvest dry weight of one plant = 37.2 grams grown in 5 gallon bucket. Not the best, but out performed by a smig gg4 and trainwreck.

Now 2 years later still growing it, still loving it.

The high is awesome. You barely feel high. You just feel energetic, motivated, focused, and best of all... no come down. 3 hours later, after you've done a shit load of chores, you're left saying to yourself... I don't feel high.

We should do a virtual chuck .. I’m maxed for space . I could get some pollen to you ? I have Puck Yeah , Burmese IBL , G13/NL1.. Puck Yeah is Skelly Hp /NL 1

 

[curious2garden]

When you use feminized seed stock as breed stock, the results can vary.

If the feminized stock had some hermie tendencies to begin with, it can pass that on.

......snip..

All cannabis carries the ability to rodelize. It only varies by the amount of stress required to produce hermaphrodism.

 

[Highland Rogue]

All cannabis carries the ability to rodelize. It only varies by the amount of stress required to produce hermaphrodism.

First fem seeds I ever made were from accidental shit luck rodelization with an outdoor plant.

Would you say the term "hermie" or hermaphrodite has become a general use term for plants that often do different things?

Here's my unscientific understanding ...

One, the "fullblown for real hermie" may have male and female characteristics which are apparent visually and genetically almost from the get go. These plants will develop both male and female flowers and always fuck you (or more accurately fuck themselves and every other female nearby) when you try to flower them for bud.

The other type is the type that is a female both genetically and in appearance and can under some circumstances, usually environmental stress, make male flowers capable of pollinating others.
These plants can finish with seedless bud, but pay attention or they might make male flowers / pollen.

 

[Artisan_tek]

i have this opinion that...when your reversing the female....it should completely reverse..there shouldnt be any white hairs or any female parts.

If you reverse it and its still throwing pistils, thats gonna make some herms and id throw it out.

Now some also say that you get herms from using Sts and colloidal silver. But i really think it has more to do with the plants genes than the actual reversing method used.

 

[Highland Rogue]

i have this opinion that...when your reversing the female....it should completely reverse..there shouldnt be any white hairs or any female parts.

If you reverse it and its still throwing pistils, thats gonna make some herms and id throw it out.

Now some also say that you get herms from using Sts and colloidal silver. But i really think it has more to do with the plants genes than the actual reversing method used.

That hasn't been my experience. I've had some stubborn to reverse girls produce low amounts of male flowers with viable pollen while retaining pistils etc.

Somewhere I still have a home made 9volt battery powered "colloidal silver" maker. Primitive, but it got the job done. Much prefer to just buy the juice now though.

 

[Artisan_tek]

That hasn't been my experience. I've had some stubborn to reverse girls produce low amounts of male flowers with viable pollen while retaining pistils etc.

Somewhere I still have a home made 9volt battery powered "colloidal silver" maker. Primitive, but it got the job done. Much prefer to just buy the juice now though.

Nice to hear from someone who's actually reversed.

I shouldnt of said much since i havnt reversed a plant yet, i am planing on trying it for the 1st time so ive been studying trying to plan out the best method. ive heard it said multple times by multple growers so i figured it was more than likely true. I think a few pistills here and there are fine but when your reversed is throwing large amounts of pistills the offspring have a larger chance of being herms. again this could be bro science or whatever

There is alot of mis/dis information floating around. some folks say you always get hermies using colloidal silver. Im going to find out. plan on trying a few different recipes.

What works best for you?

 

[NoWaistedSpace]

I breed with fems. Sometimes you need those genetics. Then you pop a bunch and find out which carry the traits you desire and then it comes down to generational breeding for stability and line breeding to strengthen the desired traits.

More of an issue for me, is getting good, clean genetic lines, with no fungal pathogens, pests etc. to breed with my own.

 

[Highland Rogue]

Nice to hear from someone who's actually reversed.

I shouldnt of said much since i havnt reversed a plant yet, i am planing on trying it for the 1st time so ive been studying trying to plan out the best method. ive heard it said multple times by multple growers so i figured it was more than likely true. I think a few pistills here and there are fine but when your reversed is throwing large amounts of pistills the offspring have a larger chance of being herms. again this could be bro science or whatever

There is alot of mis/dis information floating around. some folks say you always get hermies using colloidal silver. Im going to find out. plan on trying a few different recipes.

What works best for you?

Haven't intentionally rodelized (letting the female over ripen) for a long time. Not a high volume method in my experience.

Store bought colloidal silver is simple and has worked better for me than the stuff I've made. I've always been able to reverse using either method, but the store bought stuff had a greater effect. Had no way of knowing how strong the colloidal silver was that I made and suspect it may have been weak. Thought I was Dr. Frankenstein conducting an orgy when I got feminized seeds first time that way though. Lol.

I've used "reversed female to male" pollen on clones of the reversed female, other females and pretty much everything I had in flower that could take pollen at the time. So far, they've all been girls when I popped the seeds.

Tried some STS and silver nitrate combo this past fall and got frustratingly close, but due to a space crunch the targeted females went from inside to outside when they were in transition and I think that may have messed them up. Followed a recipe found online. No question this method works, so I'm guessing the failure was something I did or didn't do and will try this again. Did get 'em to almost turn before the cold ended the project.

I'm far from an expert on the topic, but I've been addicting to pollen chucking for a while.

 

[Artisan_tek]

Haven't intentionally rodelized (letting the female over ripen) for a long time. Not a high volume method in my experience.

Store bought colloidal silver is simple and has worked better for me than the stuff I've made. I've always been able to reverse using either method, but the store bought stuff had a greater effect. Had no way of knowing how strong the colloidal silver was that I made and suspect it may have been weak. Thought I was Dr. Frankenstein conducting an orgy when I got feminized seeds first time that way though. Lol.

I've used "reversed female to male" pollen on clones of the reversed female, other females and pretty much everything I had in flower that could take pollen at the time. So far, they've all been girls when I popped the seeds.

Tried some STS and silver nitrate combo this past fall and got frustratingly close, but due to a space crunch the targeted females went from inside to outside when they were in transition and I think that may have messed them up. Followed a recipe found online. No question this method works, so I'm guessing the failure was something I did or didn't do and will try this again. Did get 'em to almost turn before the cold ended the project.

I'm far from an expert on the topic, but I've been addicting to pollen chucking for a while.

right now im thinking for the 1st try im gonna run Gibberellic Acid mixed with Tirisus Mist.

Ive been studying the plants hormones to try and get a good idea of whats going to suppress ethylene the best while leaving the plants ability to make viable seeds intact.

Some strains just dont like reversing i hear and some throw little pollen once reversed. Im thinking open air pollination for the 1st run, gonna sit the reverse in the middle of the tent and shake the shit out of him. Prolly do this a a few times during weeks 2 to 6 to try and get every plant in the tent as pollinated as possible. Some are pollinating all the way up until the week their pulled.

Its great to hear youve had all fems so far from that method. Its something im worried about being a tent grower i cant afford to lose half my plants bc their herms.

 

[curious2garden]

First fem seeds I ever made were from accidental shit luck rodelization with an outdoor plant.

Would you say the term "hermie" or hermaphrodite has become a general use term for plants that often do different things?

Here's my unscientific understanding ...

One, the "fullblown for real hermie" may have male and female characteristics which are apparent visually and genetically almost from the get go. These plants will develop both male and female flowers and always fuck you (or more accurately fuck themselves and every other female nearby) when you try to flower them for bud.

The other type is the type that is a female both genetically and in appearance and can under some circumstances, usually environmental stress, make male flowers capable of pollinating others.
These plants can finish with seedless bud, but pay attention or they might make male flowers / pollen.

They are both hermaphrodites and until you grow some of the progeny you won't really know what ones have a greater propensity for rodelization.