Latest seed purchase - Show and Tell

[StonedAgeGrower]

Very first seed purchase was from ILGM - both their beans and their forum leave a lot to be desired. Bland, inbred Dutch crap.

But I got 10, + 10 free!!!

I've heard nothing but bad things about that site. Appears to just be another site claiming to be from the US just slinging seeds from Spain made up of god knows what Dutch genetics. I had a friend have the same problem w a site called GrowersChoice or something like that. His "Diesel" smelled like a blueberry, his "OG" was floral Skunk terps, and the "White Widow" was a Bubblegum type. Not really terrible smokes, but not at all what they were labelled as. Oh, and he got some kind of Tangie Autos that were actually photoperiod plants. I tried to tell him where to get good seeds from, but he didn't listen.

The Spanish Bait-and-switch in full effect

 

[H.A.F.]

I guess the main thing now is finding breeders who stand behind whatever they put out and provide info. If they tell me ther'll be one fire keeper in a pack and don't charge much, cool as long as it happens.

TGA has been selling 5-packs of regs to make them more accessable, Still $10/bean but you can get two packs and pay full price if you want - But they said the goal was to ensure that instead of finding what they want you to see in a 10-pack, it was on them to make stuff more reliable so a 5-pack doesn't just piss you off.

I have the Querkle from MzJills to try that out.

 

[H.A.F.]

On the S1's, I never tried any of the chems except in crosses (I think...)
Lots of people think they've tried them and haven't.
I have beans from the original plant. I WILL be trying something pretty damn similar to the KNOWN original. Not something bred from a cut someone got from a clone seller with no provenance.

 

[H.A.F.]

Oh - and after listening to the dudes talk about their priorities in breeding and releasing stuff. If he put it out there I'll take the chance.

 

[High kev]

The crew that lives around me that used to have that real sour diesel that took over the New York city haze were the hippies. I was told they like to keep that and trade it amongst themselves and didn’t want to give that out unless it was to one of greatful dead people that had wings or Something like that. Idk. That bud I would get from them through someone else was complete fire. They wouldn’t trade me for the blueberry cut I had back then. They also loved the outdoor strain I had back then too but wouldn’t trade. But I also wasn’t part of them so... I will try and reach out again to see if I can get a cut. It’s the only people that I know of that actually had the real deal. Back then I wasn’t used to paying over ten for a clone hahah so I will offer much more this time hopefully they are willing to part with it if they actually still have it. The hippies with their sour diesel kinda acted like the Cubans did with their piff. They kept it amongst themselves

 

[StonedAgeGrower]

The crew that lives around me that used to have that real sour diesel that took over the New York city haze were the hippies. I was told they like to keep that and trade it amongst themselves and didn’t want to give that out unless it was to one of greatful dead people that had wings or Something like that. Idk. That bud I would get from them through someone else was complete fire. They wouldn’t trade me for the blueberry cut I had back then. They also loved the outdoor strain I had back then too but wouldn’t trade. But I also wasn’t part of them so... I will try and reach out again to see if I can get a cut. It’s the only people that I know of that actually had the real deal. Back then I wasn’t used to paying over ten for a clone hahah so I will offer much more this time hopefully they are willing to part with it if they actually still have it. The hippies with their sour diesel kinda acted like the Cubans did with their piff. They kept it amongst themselves

I had a similar experience trying to get a cut of the Sour. A friend of mine (big time smoker but not a grower) had a buddy that he knew cuz he was big into Phish and Disco Biscuits, and that dude always had the Sour. We would meet up and get the flower, and I must have asked him for a cut every damn time I saw him. Told him to name the price, or what he would wanna trade for it, but no dice. Only other times I found the same Sour was from a few NYC delivery guys.

I think especially in those days, early 2000s, that shit was held REAL fucking tight, same as the Chems and especially the Piff. The Northeast really did have some fire back in the 90s-00s that's pretty legendary now Been awesome to see the resurgence and interest in the Piff and Cuban Black Haze lately

 

[High kev]

I had a similar experience trying to get a cut of the Sour. A friend of mine (big time smoker but not a grower) had a buddy that he knew cuz he was big into Phish and Disco Biscuits, and that dude always had the Sour. We would meet up and get the flower, and I must have asked him for a cut every damn time I saw him. Told him to name the price, or what he would wanna trade for it, but no dice. Only other times I found the same Sour was from a few NYC delivery guys.

I think especially in those days, early 2000s, that shit was held REAL fucking tight, same as the Chems and especially the Piff. The Northeast really did have some fire back in the 90s-00s that's pretty legendary now Been awesome to see the resurgence and interest in the Piff and Cuban Black Haze lately

With New York legalizing everyone wants to grow their two favorite strains of all time in this area, whitch in my opinion was New York City haze and sour diesel. Stuff comes close but not quite like those two in my opinion from my experience. Those two strains both are on another level. Legendary is an understatement. And yes those haze pushers had the sour too. I know a friend of mine that kinda controlled the haze in my area. He still has seeds from early 2000s. He has yet to start growing for himself. He won’t part with any. He’s taking those to the grave with him

 

[Zaphod420]

Found the episode I was referring to if anyone is interested in the story of the Sour straight from the horse's mouth.

It's a long listen, but worth it if your a Sour freak! Long story short tho: "Weasel" meets Chemdog at a Phish show and trades for the 91. Weasel is growing the 91 in NYC but doesn't like the Chem name (organic was all the rage and the name turned people off apparently) so begins calling the orig Chem91 cut "Diesel" instead.

The Albany crew (Manny, Bro, Vondo etc) start buying up all the "Diesel" they can from Weasel and over several batches find and save seeds in a film canister labeled "Our Diesel". At some point (95/96?) they started to grow their seeds upstate, and someone said we can't call this "OUR Diesel" so someone slapped an S in front and that's where it got the sOUR Diesel name.

After that, shit gets super hard to keep track of who got what, if it's the real cut, etc. The Bro and many others say AJs cut is not the same as their keeper from the original seeds, and theirs was the only one they kept or gave cuts out. But trying to figure out which of the cuts circulating today (if any of them) are that original cut isnt easy.

Even more difficult is trying to decipher what pollen may have made the seeds in Weasel's room. The candidates seem to have been narrowed down to DNL or MSSxNL but there is still plenty of debate/speculation

Really cool episode so far(about halfway in)FUCK do those guys smoke a lot of weed!
I would really like to get a hold of the MEGA STINKY 5000 sour cultivar. I sure hope with NY going green that happens soon and it makes it's way into the hands of High kev.

 

[Zaphod420]

Some interesting copy pasta from a recent Katsu email...
"I'm terrible with the weed history but I have a lot of friends that are steeped in weed lore. In a recent post on Instagram, Stoney explains the origins of the Sour Diesel clone as well as his male - I cut and pasted it because I know everyone is always curious. Here ya go...
"SourD wasn’t a bag seed regardless of what they say.... it was made by mike clop the weasel... he started with northern lights crosses into chemdog to make chem lights then took a make from his chem lights work and hit up super skunk ... that’s the truth on SourD .... to put it nicely a lot of them chemfam guys memories are selective or just shot... but mike is sharp as ever... that’s where sour came from...
I wouldn’t by any means call it a true ibl but for labeling purpose the male came out of a pack of rez gear from the 06-07 release of his sour ibl line ....

Have a great weekend, and smoke lots of the sticky stuff for me.

Peace, KB"

 

[H.A.F.]

Some interesting copy pasta from a recent Katsu email...
"I'm terrible with the weed history but I have a lot of friends that are steeped in weed lore. In a recent post on Instagram, Stoney explains the origins of the Sour Diesel clone as well as his male - I cut and pasted it because I know everyone is always curious. Here ya go...
"SourD wasn’t a bag seed regardless of what they say.... it was made by mike clop the weasel... he started with northern lights crosses into chemdog to make chem lights then took a make from his chem lights work and hit up super skunk ... that’s the truth on SourD .... to put it nicely a lot of them chemfam guys memories are selective or just shot... but mike is sharp as ever... that’s where sour came from...
I wouldn’t by any means call it a true ibl but for labeling purpose the male came out of a pack of rez gear from the 06-07 release of his sour ibl line ....

Have a great weekend, and smoke lots of the sticky stuff for me.

Peace, KB"

Accident or on purpose, it doesn't go against the theory that it just doesn't breed true in seed form. So every seed bred to those exact standards would be a "Sour Diesel" but it doesn't mean the sour pheno will be there.

I know nothing about it first hand but listen a lot. The two sets of facts are not mutually exclusive.

 

[StonedAgeGrower]

Some interesting copy pasta from a recent Katsu email...
"I'm terrible with the weed history but I have a lot of friends that are steeped in weed lore. In a recent post on Instagram, Stoney explains the origins of the Sour Diesel clone as well as his male - I cut and pasted it because I know everyone is always curious. Here ya go...
"SourD wasn’t a bag seed regardless of what they say.... it was made by mike clop the weasel... he started with northern lights crosses into chemdog to make chem lights then took a make from his chem lights work and hit up super skunk ... that’s the truth on SourD .... to put it nicely a lot of them chemfam guys memories are selective or just shot... but mike is sharp as ever... that’s where sour came from...
I wouldn’t by any means call it a true ibl but for labeling purpose the male came out of a pack of rez gear from the 06-07 release of his sour ibl line ....

Have a great weekend, and smoke lots of the sticky stuff for me.

Peace, KB"

There seems to be some confusion and debate there for sure, and from the sidelines I can't tell what's the truth. The Albany crew says it came from bags they bought of the 91, Klopp/Weasal says it came from some lbs of that 91/NL cross that was seeded, either intentionally or when something else (DNL? Super Skunk?) Hermied in the room. So the only real argument is what the genetics really were, and how intentional the breeding was. I think even Klopp admits the Albany guys popped the seeds.

I do think the Super Skunk that Skunk_VAs friend traded to Chemdog for the 91 cut was definitely involved. The polaroid shots he's posted of that Skunk are a dead ringer for the Sour D. That's where the waters even get muddy w that cut as well since it seems the Mass Super Skunk is not the same cut

Not add more confusion, but lately I've seen a cut circulate called "Weasel's Diesel". No clue if it's actually from Weasel, if it's a cross, or someone just slapped his name on it to move some cuts lol.

The Sour story is one of the tougher stories to get to the bottom of sure. Hell, the community has connected nearly all the dots w OG/TK and the whole Florida argument, but all these years later and there's still some mystery around the Sour.

 

[Zaphod420]

Not add more confusion, but lately I've seen a cut circulate called "Weasel's Diesel". No clue if it's actually from Weasel, if it's a cross, or someone just slapped his name on it to move some cuts lol. The Sour story is one of the tougher stories to get to the bottom of sure. Hell, the community has connected nearly all the dots w OG/TK and the whole Florida argument, but all these years later and there's still some mystery around the Sour.

It really is. https://soundcloud.com/the_pot_cast%2Fepisode-2-skunk-va-of-lucky-dog-seed-co-chemfamily Skunk_VA makes everything really clear in this potcast. Well somewhat clear lol

 

[High kev]

There seems to be some confusion and debate there for sure, and from the sidelines I can't tell what's the truth. The Albany crew says it came from bags they bought of the 91, Klopp/Weasal says it came from some lbs of that 91/NL cross that was seeded, either intentionally or when something else (DNL? Super Skunk?) Hermied in the room. So the only real argument is what the genetics really were, and how intentional the breeding was. I think even Klopp admits the Albany guys popped the seeds.

I do think the Super Skunk that Skunk_VAs friend traded to Chemdog for the 91 cut was definitely involved. The polaroid shots he's posted of that Skunk are a dead ringer for the Sour D. That's where the waters even get muddy w that cut as well since it seems the Mass Super Skunk is not the same cut

Not add more confusion, but lately I've seen a cut circulate called "Weasel's Diesel". No clue if it's actually from Weasel, if it's a cross, or someone just slapped his name on it to move some cuts lol.

The Sour story is one of the tougher stories to get to the bottom of sure. Hell, the community has connected nearly all the dots w OG/TK and the whole Florida argument, but all these years later and there's still some mystery around the Sour.

That Albany crews sour diesel was the best weed I ever smoked ever. I see why the New York City haze faded away although ny city haze is a really close second in my opinion. They are so different it’s hard to say one is better than the other. It’s like Marlboro vs Newport. Gotta have both on the pallet

 

[H.A.F.]

That Albany crews sour diesel was the best weed I ever smoked ever. I see why the New York City haze faded away although ny city haze is a really close second in my opinion. They are so different it’s hard to say one is better than the other. It’s like Marlboro vs Newport. Gotta have both on the pallet

I think my point is that to get that consistency that had to be all clone grows. From seed you might not get the sour.

 

[StonedAgeGrower]

It really is. https://soundcloud.com/the_pot_cast%2Fepisode-2-skunk-va-of-lucky-dog-seed-co-chemfamily Skunk_VA makes everything really clear in this potcast. Well somewhat clear lol

Yup! Skunk_Va pretty much lays out how all the cuts that ended up creating the Sour ended up where they were, but that final piece of the puzzle is still debated. It is a shame that the consensus seems to be that the original Super Skunk from VA is gone now, and the Mass Super Skunk that Chemdog had and made Giesel with is a different, shorter, more Afghani plant. Definitely seems like that original Skunk was in Klopps room, and others who had that Skunk like NotsoDog, have all said it ALWAYS through some nanners.

From all the info I can gather, I tend to think the breeding that made Sour weren't intentional, and that VA Super Skunk was definitely the pollen donor. Now whether it hit the 91 or the 91/NL I'm not sure we will ever be able to know for sure.

 

[StonedAgeGrower]

I think my point is that to get that consistency that had to be all clone grows. From seed you might not get the sour.

For a lot of years there was only 1 Sour. It was definitely one particular cut that was held real tight from my experience. When I started on the forums in like 05 I only remember talk of Sour and Diesel#1 aka Original Diesel. Funny that the Albany crew called their cut the #2?? Maybe the #1 was another selection that did make it out from those original seeds from Klopp?
That would show right there the possible variation in those bagseeds they had saved.

But a lot of the modern confusion is the sheer amount of "Sour" cuts when there should only be 1. A lot started with Rez's releases and IBL where a lot of people passed cuts of their seed-pop keepers as "Sour Diesel" muddying the waters for a lot of people.

 

[High kev]

For a lot of years there was only 1 Sour. It was definitely one particular cut that was held real tight from my experience. When I started on the forums in like 05 I only remember talk of Sour and Diesel#1 aka Original Diesel. Funny that the Albany crew called their cut the #2?? Maybe the #1 was another selection that did make it out from those original seeds from Klopp?
That would show right there the possible variation in those bagseeds they had saved.

But a lot of the modern confusion is the sheer amount of "Sour" cuts when there should only be 1. A lot started with Rez's releases and IBL where a lot of people passed cuts of their seed-pop keepers as "Sour Diesel" muddying the waters for a lot of people.

Awesome thank u for sharing

 

[StonedAgeGrower]

That Albany crews sour diesel was the best weed I ever smoked ever. I see why the New York City haze faded away although ny city haze is a really close second in my opinion. They are so different it’s hard to say one is better than the other. It’s like Marlboro vs Newport. Gotta have both on the pallet

For sure! They are as different as could be, but when you could find real Sour or Piff/Church/NYHaze it was always the best of the best. I've got a few packs of SkunkTek's Cuban Black Haze reversals to the Haze A and Haze C that I'm hoping will really have some true old school NY Haze phenos.

Give me some Piff and Sour and I'm a happy guy

Awesome thank u for sharing

No problem! I love having discussions like this and always happy to share any info Ive gained. If there's a podcast/interview about Sour or Chem I've prob listened to it about 3-4x when I'm in the garden

 

[High kev]

@thenotsoesoteric can’t wait to run these babies

 

[High kev]

got more bandaid haze from doc d and others
more bobber berry purple pheno x bandaid haze

we gonna find that old school haze and bring it back better