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treefarmercharlie

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Because if you get SEVERELY hurt in Canada you cost money to healthcare so wear a damned seatbelt
Don’t take this the wrong way, because I wear a seatbelt, but something to ponder....

Laws like seatbelts laws could arguably cost the healthcare system more becausethey extend the life of people who would otherwise die from their own negligence. Laws like these basically delay the effects caused by “survival of the fittest”.

it’s also worth noting that there are cases where wearing a seatbelt can actually cause more harm than good. When I was in high school the passenger side of my car got t-boned by a tractor trailer at an intersection. One of my friends was in the back seat, on the passenger side. He got thrown across the back seat, broke some ribs, one arm, and one leg. The doctor told him he was actually very lucky he wasn’t wearing his seatbelt because he would’ve likely wound up with a shattered hip and broken back if he was.
 

Highland Rogue

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Nice try to change the subject, but a grocery store model is not a governing system, its a operating system. Quit pulling straws out of your ass and show us where this world exists at. Consensual sex is pretty lame too, I like to slap the shit out of them while abusing them.. She has no right to say no in your world. Maybe its time to start piling my garbage up next to your house because I like the smell. But for now, you can carry on with your rights, no rights, delegating rights garbage your so good at. :D

Except, I didn't change the subject, I offered proofs of how my philosophy works in the micro and macro of things.

While I usually like to discuss ideas and not focus on the person, I have observed some cognitive failings on your part, that unfortunately have affected your ability to use even rudimentary extrapolative reasoning. That should be called out now.

Your ability to connect ideas is extremely poor, it's more like an inability. I mean that in a serious way. This inability is likely unknown to you. Clouded by fear, poor comprehension, you bleat platitudes and disinformation to form your weak "arguments" or "counter arguments".
Unfortunately, there are many people who process reality the same way you do, believing in two opposing things at once. I blame your indoctrination from government schools for much of that. That's why they insist on having them, to churn out obedient people, incapable of using reason.

You have been programmed, to repeat, but not to think. Garbage in, garbage out.

Anyhow....I'll type slowly, so you can follow along.

The REASON WHY a grocery store model is an excellent example is, it works efficiently, because it is NOT a central planning thing. It still retains many aspects of a free market. (for now anyway).

It is governed by the willing relationships of interrelated, but not centrally planned VOLUNTARY human interactions. Freedom. From the food producers, thru the markets all the way to the end consumers. All that and it functions far more efficient than if it were a centrally planned top down system of food creation and distribution, like a government central planned food system has / does.

Did you know that the first "grocery stores" (food propagation / distribution) of the early colonists, Jamestown, was a central planned commie set up and caused starvation and near collapse of the colony? What saved it? Free market. You're welcome.

Which is all government is, a top down central planning apparatus that systemically violates rather than protects rights. The fact that you can't / won't answer how "representatives" acquire nonexistent rights, which are impossible for any person being represented to delegate to others, is evidence of my point.

EVEN WHEN PRESENTED WITH LOGIC. you default to the erroneous ideas hammered into your head as if repeating them will inject logic that isn't there. You are the living proof of believing in two opposing things at once. It is mathematically impossible for a representative government to have any more right than any of the individuals within it. Prove me wrong. Show me the math.



The REASON WHY consensual sex is the way to go, is it INSISTS on mutual, voluntary and consensual means, otherwise it's rape.

While I hope you were joking about liking to slap your potential sex partners around, the joke is actually on you. you DO endorse that kind of behavior, removal of consent, in many other human relationships.

Your preferred way of managing human relationships, on an involuntary basis, is simply another way of endorsing rapist tactics into your political ideology. So, in reality, you do endorse rapist tactics, if not when engaging in sex as you jokingly (?) mentioned, but in most other aspects of life you want government to control for you. Shameful.


Using your position / business model, "consent is an obstacle", as a basis of governing, people starve and get raped.


My position honors consent and allows peaceful people to self determine.
 

Highland Rogue

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Don’t take this the wrong way, because I wear a seatbelt, but something to ponder....

Laws like seatbelts laws could arguably cost the healthcare system more becausethey extend the life of people who would otherwise die from their own negligence. Laws like these basically delay the effects caused by “survival of the fittest”.

it’s also worth noting that there are cases where wearing a seatbelt can actually cause more harm than good. When I was in high school the passenger side of my car got t-boned by a tractor trailer at an intersection. One of my friends was in the back seat, on the passenger side. He got thrown across the back seat, broke some ribs, one arm, and one leg. The doctor told him he was actually very lucky he wasn’t wearing his seatbelt because he would’ve likely wound up with a shattered hip and broken back if he was.
Good points.

I would add, that there is a liberty aspect, that should not be overlooked.

Using the rationale that threatening government force against people to insist they wear a seatbelt to save lives is the same logic as using government force to insist people only eat things which are healthy and we have "the fat police".

People who are willing to remove choice, "it's for your own good" are basically acting like prohibitionists, while flicking the ashes of their joint they are "allowed" to have. IRONY.
 

Punisher84

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You think seatbelt laws are wrong :)

If you dont wear a seatbelt and go through the window is it a corona death? (if you tested positive upon your death)? Very tricky...

I think its another one of those CDA vs USA apples and oranges thing.

Because if you get SEVERELY hurt in Canada you cost money to healthcare so wear a damned seatbelt or pay 1000 bucks and get 3 demerets.

15 and you lose your license for 3 years.

8 to 10 in really short order gets you in front of the judge and he can yank it if your a dick or dont cry or something (cut a hole in your pants pocket and grab a few leg hairs and rip them out if you have to).

They will get you without a seatbelt FAST too. Its easier to ticket than a cell phone.

If you do happen to cross the border remember to leave your guns at home (they WILL confisgate them), you can not take weed across the border even if both places are legal and wear your seatbelt or you will get a fine. Some states enforce it i think.
It's against the law to not wear a seatbelt here, in a motor vehicle. Helmets are not required for motorcycles. Seatbelts are not required in a vehicle like a Polaris ranger or any other side by sides(most are legal on most roads around here). That law is flawed, maybe for kids under 18 require it, but beyond that leave it to the discretion of the operator.

Ill wear one when I get on the interstate when I remember, rest of the time I forget its there, maybe ill go flying through the windshield. Its a risk I take. I also spent 99% of my time driving on country roads or city streets. I haven't gotten over 45 mph for probably a month. Shit happens, I know that, I also know the risks. Think I took 4 driving courses in the military. No I took 5 one was a motocross school. Id like to think I know how to drive ok...
 

Highland Rogue

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I stopped reading it after the first paragraph because you offered no proof of it working in any world outside of your imagination. Simple enough answer for you.
So grocery stores and consensual sex don't work for you eh Comrade ?

"But we've always stolen our food from the Dworgs and captured their women to bring back to our caves" - Your early ancestors
 

hhibrownsbacker

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"But we've always stolen our food from the Dworgs and captured their women to bring back to our caves"
Your imagination is beyond comprehension. But before I go, Rogue just for the shits and grins of it, can you go over that math lesson you had for us all, 0x0+0-0-0x0+0+0-0=0 (or whatever that was).
 

Highland Rogue

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I stopped reading it after the first paragraph because you offered no proof of it working in any world outside of your imagination. Simple enough answer for you.
This is so delicious it needs more response.

You stopped reading because your attention span, comprehension and extrapolative reasoning is poor, as I pointed out.

You claimed my examples aren't "real world", except they are the MOST real world examples there could be.

People fuck all the time, it's how we got here. On a micro level, people that interact in sexual matters using voluntary proceedings are pretty much universally in the right versus involuntary measures of getting laid. It's also how we create life.

People eat everywhere, billions of people use a grocery store model to govern how they get food. Getting food is universal, it is a macro issue and how we sustain life.

So using examples that demonstrate how we create and sustain life using voluntary interactions, rather than involuntary methods aren't sufficient proofs ? Too funny.
 

Highland Rogue

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Your imagination is beyond comprehension. But before I go, Rogue just for the shits and grins of it, can you go over that math lesson you had for us all, 0x0+0-0-0x0+0+0-0=0 (or whatever that was).
Oh sure. I'll keep it short so we don't tire you out.

A person has zero clue and then gets with others all having zero clue to insist that something that is wrong for any of them to do, can be voted to be right to do, if they all vote hard enough.

0+0+0+0+0 etc = 9. (your math)
 

hhibrownsbacker

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This is so delicious it needs more response.

You stopped reading because your attention span, comprehension and extrapolative reasoning is poor, as I pointed out.

You claimed my examples aren't "real world", except they are the MOST real world examples there could be.

People fuck all the time, it's how we got here. On a micro level, people that interact in sexual matters using voluntary proceedings are pretty much universally in the right versus involuntary measures of getting laid. It's also how we create life.

People eat everywhere, billions of people use a grocery store model to govern how they get food. Getting food is universal, it is a macro issue and how we sustain life.

So using examples that demonstrate how we create and sustain life using voluntary interactions, rather than involuntary methods aren't sufficient proofs ? Too funny.
Just one, I guess its too hard to do. micro level dont cut it. I really do wish you can come up with just one actual example of your utopian governing system because I want to tear it apart. Until then I guess we just have to listen to your babbling.
 
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Highland Rogue

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Your imagination is beyond comprehension. But before I go, Rogue just for the shits and grins of it, can you go over that math lesson you had for us all, 0x0+0-0-0x0+0+0-0=0 (or whatever that was).
It occurred to me your question itself requires the impossible and a belief in two opposing things at once.

You asked for examples of how my philosophy of self governance work, I gave you two universal ones that virtually all sane people use and you said I didn't give you an example of how it would work....

Your question itself is self defeating, you see, you want me to give you an example of how a world founded on consent would work, but you want an answer only in the context of a "system" , a forcible consent removal system. They are two entirely opposite things. Your question is illogical, and I hope you treat your sex partners better than that.

Later maybe tonight, I may rely on a quote from a person whose logic I respect to further illustrate my point. I have to go the grocery store now. Have a great day!
 

hhibrownsbacker

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You can keep the logic from someone you respect, he dont mean shit to me. One more thing Rogue, I do understand where your coming from I think. But it wont work, not because the ideas might not be applicable but because of the nature of man. You cant make everyone happy.
 

GreenGenes

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Good points.

I would add, that there is a liberty aspect, that should not be overlooked.

Using the rationale that threatening government force against people to insist they wear a seatbelt to save lives is the same logic as using government force to insist people only eat things which are healthy and we have "the fat police".

People who are willing to remove choice, "it's for your own good" are basically acting like prohibitionists, while flicking the ashes of their joint they are "allowed" to have. IRONY.
Life is full of irony.
Some people are more cavalier with their health than others -- and it shows.

Some people are more "fuck the police" and won't wear a seatbelt simply because breaking the law makes them feel warm & fuzzy inside.
 

treefarmercharlie

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Life is full of irony.
Some people are more cavalier with their health than others -- and it shows.

Some people are more "fuck the police" and won't wear a seatbelt simply because breaking the law makes them feel warm & fuzzy inside.
Some people do think that way, but it's also about having personal choice and personal responsibility. How can the left support both abortion (which I'm not against) and seat belt laws? They say that women have the right to do what they want with their bodies, so why does that stop at seat belts? I wear a seat belt, but I also believe an adult should have the right to not wear one if they choose not to. I also think a person should have the right to commit suicide if they want to and, yes, I do know how awful it feels to have a loved one commit suicide.
 

GreenGenes

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Some people do think that way, but it's also about having personal choice and personal responsibility. How can the left support both abortion (which I'm not against) and seat belt laws? They say that women have the right to do what they want with their bodies, so why does that stop at seat belts? I wear a seat belt, but I also believe an adult should have the right to not wear one if they choose not to. I also think a person should have the right to commit suicide if they want to and, yes, I do know how awful it feels to have a loved one commit suicide.
Medical procedures are awesome.
Suicide is awesome.
The abortion thing just boils down to whether or not you believe it's murder.
 

Punisher84

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Life is full of irony.
Some people are more cavalier with their health than others -- and it shows.

Some people are more "fuck the police" and won't wear a seatbelt simply because breaking the law makes them feel warm & fuzzy inside.
I support cops. Standing with a bunch right now. I run training on Thursday’s. I didn’t wear a seatbelt on my way here and won’t on the way home 😝
 
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